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the body of Hermann Fegelein

Postby Hernan Schneider on 02 Jan 2003 03:35

I want to know that happened with the body of hermann fegelein because after the execution at all to be knowing, on his body attentivly

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Postby Minotauros on 11 Jan 2003 19:11

Hi Hernan!

SS-Gruppenführer Hermann Fegelein was shot in the neck by an SS-Scharführer of the Führer-Begleitkommando in the garden of the Reichskanzlei. The order came from the Führer himself. His body was thrown into a shellhole and hastily buried.

Hope this will help you ! :D

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Postby Xavier on 12 Jan 2003 01:16

Hello Hernan!
please follow this linlk to a most complete tread...

http://www.thirdreichforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13437&highlight=

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Postby Peter on 12 Jan 2003 09:20

When you think about the situation in Berlin in May/June 1945, thousands and thousands of corpses in the ruins, Russians hunting senior Nazi's and looting whatever they could move, it is not surprising that anything remaining of Fegelein was thrown along with other casualties into common graves.

It is most likely that his body would not have had badges, medals or even his tunic on so there was probably nothing to distinguish him from thousands of other officer casualties.

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Postby Matt Gibbs on 13 Jan 2003 13:32

Thanksf or the info and the link to a previous topic I missed, I oftten wonder what happened and this is as close as we are going to get to the truth...
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PS for those interested in a similar event there is apassage in The Last Battle about the shooting of some of the prominent prsioners in Berlin from the 1944 July plot who were told they were being freed and marched across Berlin into some ruins, then stood against a wall by their guards and shot, only one survived to tell the tale...

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Postby Schmauser on 13 Jan 2003 14:52

Hi Matt,

I've also read about this incident. Among those 20 who died during the 22/23 April 1945 were, Count Albrecht von Bernsdorff, Klaus Bonhoeffer and Albrecht Haushoefer. They were being moved from the Lehrterstrasse Prison to the Gestapo Prinz Albrechtstrasse Prison. Himmler was prolonging their lives incase they came in useful as bargaining tools.

Do you know any of the others who were executed?

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Postby Matt Gibbs on 04 Dec 2005 23:49

I just rediscovered this and no I am not sure who exactly was transferred. Maybe someone else has further clues?
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Postby Mark Costa on 05 Dec 2005 02:32

Fegelein was NOT shot by a member of the Fuhrer SS-Begleitkommando but by a member of RSD unit #1. These are two separate units who duties involved the Fuhrer's security.

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Postby valkyrie on 05 Dec 2005 02:35

There is a complete description of the incident and the individuals affected in Peter Hoffmanns "History of the German Resistance." I will post them when I can get to my copy. Regards

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Postby valkyrie on 07 Dec 2005 03:01

Per Hoffmann p. 530-532 (1st edition):

Scene - Moabit Prison in the Lerterstrasse

April 22 1945 the Gestapo started moving prisoners in the Lehrterstrasse - 21 prisoners released incl. Wilhelm Roloff, Hans Lukaschek, Kraft Freiherr von Palombini, Lothar Francke, Hermann Freiherr von Lueninck, Otto Kunze.

Leter in evenig - SS Obersturmbannfuehrer Stawitzki paraded 16 prisoners and informed them they would be released from the Prinz-Albrecht-strasse. Split into 2 groups and shot.

Group 1 - Dr. Ruediger Schleicher, Dr. Klaus Bonhoeffer, Dr. Hans John, Carl Marcks, Friedrich Justus Perels, Wilhelm zur Nieden, Hans Ludwig Sierks (all condemned to death). Dr. Richard Richard Kuenzer (not condemned).

Group 2 - Oberst Wilhelm Staehle, Oblt. Ernst Munzinger, Major Hans Victor von Salviati, Prof. Albrecht Haushoffer, Sergei Sossimov ( A Russian POW), Carlos Moll, Max Jennewein and Herbert Kosney (survived summary execution wounded in the neck).

April 24 Albrecht Graf von Bernstorff, Karl Ludwig Freiherr von Guttenburg, Ernst Schneppenhorst murdered.

April 25 remaining prisoners released. (Hoffmann names them but too many to type here).

Hope that helps.

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Postby Luft300 on 08 Dec 2005 02:03

Back to Fegelein: He was captured by the RSD who were sent out of the Reichs Chancellory to find him since Hitler noticed that he was missing. He was found in his apartment in civilian clothes with his girlfriend and bags packed. He was taken back to the Führerbunker, interrogated and then locked up. After word reached Hitler that Himmler was negotiating peace with the western Allies through Count Bernadotte, Hitler believed that Fegelein knew all about it since he was Himmler's representative at the Führer Headquarters. Additionally, since Fegelein had removed himself from the bunker, it was further evidence that he knew about what Himmler was doing. Fegelein was taken out into the garden and executed - probably still in his CIVILIAN CLOTHES, which would have made his identification even more difficult.

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Re: the body of hermann fegelein

Postby danfcon1 on 18 Aug 2008 15:20

There are a number of possibilities:

First, Hans Fegelein, Hermann's father stated several times after the war that he received packages containing Bundesmarks with notes stating that Hermann was alive and otherwise fine, but had to remain underground. However, The money could have been sent to his father by Fegelein's long time comrade, Albert Faßbender who resumed his lucrative business with his step-father after the war as a chocolatier. The alternative is that Fegelein did in fact, survive the bunker. In order for this to have happened, he would have made a deal with Gestapo chief Müller. Müller and Fegelein also would have had to convince Rattenhuber, who Hitler sent to confirm the death of Fegelein, that he was in fact dead so the Hitler nuptials could take place without the possibility of Fegelein becomming a relative of Hitler by marriage. Fooling Rattenhuber by dressing up a battle death corpse in Fegelein's uniform was possible as there were so many corpses around the general area from the make-shift hospital on the upper floors of the Chancellory.

Next is the possibility that Fegelein was hanged in the Gestapo cellar as theorized by James P O'Donnell. In that case, his corpse would have remained in the Gestapo cellar until the Red Army investigated it in May, 1945. If he was hanged, his tunic would have been removed was the custom, so there would be nothing distinguishing him as Fegelein. Mohnke states that in the abortive courts martial hearing, Fegelein tore off his colar and/or shoulder pieces from his tunic anyway.

Finally, there is the possibility that as reported by Hanna Reitsch, Fegelein was shot in the Ehrenhof. His body would have been hastily burried and removed to a mass grave later. I once saw a Soviet Newsreel that identifed some of the corpses that they recovered, but Fegelein was not among them. I also read an account somewhere, and I am sorry that I do not remember the site, that a Red Army private recently came forward and claimed to have burried him in the top level of the chancellory. Again, to fool Rattenhuber, all they needed to do was dress a corpse in Fegelein's tunic and shoot up the face. at 11:45 PM April 28, 1945, I doubt Rattenhuber's powers of observation were anywhere near 100 per cent. Also, due to Red Army shelling, he might not have had regular sleep for going on several weeks.

Mohnke states in his interview with O'Donnell that Fegelein was in uniform during his abortive courts martial hearing. The mufti would have been brought to the bunker as evidence of his intent to desert.

The reason for the execution was that Hiter learned of the negotiations of Himmler with Count Bernadotte circa 9:30 PM on that Saturday evening.

I hope that this does not add to the confusion.

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Re: the body of hermann fegelein

Postby sobel on 19 Aug 2008 16:57

The truth is that there have been so many different versions of what happened to him, many contradicting themselves that no-one knows, except I believe from other postings on this forum, Rochus Misch the only surviving person who has gone on record and claims to know who did the deed but refuses to expand, even though the person is long dead.

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Re: the body of hermann fegelein

Postby Halfdan S. on 21 Aug 2008 15:01

Just bought Thomas Fischers: "Die Verteidigung der Reichskanzlei 1945. Kampfkommandant Mohnke berichtet" - here Mohnke is quoted for saying that Fegelein was shoot by Rattenhubers men in the Ehrenhof . . .
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Re: the body of Hermann Fegelein

Postby stukazoo on 28 Aug 2008 16:40

According to Höhne, following news of Himmler's 'conspiracy' with the Allies..
'Hitler would no loger tolerate any SS officer in his presence; every SS man was suspect as a member of the vast gang of traitors. On hearing that his brother in law Hermann Fegelein, an SS-Gruppenführer and Himmler's chief representative, had left the bunker on his own and had been seen in civilian clothes, he had him shot in the courtyard of The Reich Chancellery.

John Toland: The Last 100 Days, Random House, New York, Arthur Barker, London 1965

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