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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by panzerschreck » 11 Oct 2008, 01:47

Pena V wrote:My files show Karl Diebitsch as CO of Flak-Abteilung / III Korps 15 Apr 1943 - 01 Dec 1943. Did he command two units or is one of the alternatives wrong?

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I have him as CO of Flak-Abt 11 / 11. "Nordland" from Apr 1943 until Dec 1943 in my files! :?

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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by freddiefro » 11 Oct 2008, 13:53

Giorgio,

It's SS-Sturmbannführer Karl Betzwieser (244 028), Kdr.I./Pz.GR.48 when he went missing (captured) b. Narwa 27.07.1944. He was confined at Kgf.Lg.Swerdlowsk until 10.1955.

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Bataillon commander of General Seyffardt

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Post by Waffen211 » 11 Oct 2008, 18:19

Tieke in your Book "Tragedy of faitful", say that Benner, commander of Regiment General Seyffardt, during escape from narva bridgehead in July '44, have as Bataillon commanders: Karl Betzwieser (I./48) and Helmut Breymann (II./48). In John Moore Fuhrerliste, Helmut Breymann is reported died in May '44??? In this case who is commander of II./48 in July '44? I have a name (without indication of grade), Kurt Wald. Someone have info about this?

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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by freddiefro » 11 Oct 2008, 20:48

Waffen211,

Actually, John P. Moore's "Führerliste" has Breyman listed as missing in action on 28.07.1944. It has SS-Hauptsturmführer Kurt Wald (275 136) as Kdr.II./Pz.GR.48 on 03.1945. However, SS-Hauptsturmführer Johann Reigl (353 158) is listed as Kdr.II./Pz.GR.48 on 01.1945 (in the addendum section for the 23.SS-Frw.Pz.Gr.Div."Nederland"; the "Führerliste"also shows Reigl as Kdr.III./Pz.GR.48 on 02.1945). This would be before Kurt Wald.

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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by Waffen211 » 11 Oct 2008, 23:17

I have some doubt about formation of III./48, created when the Regiment was reformed a Schlochau? I have this list for III./48

Stubaf. Geiger
? Grafhorst
Rühle von Lilienstern
Hans Riegl

What is the reality?

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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by freddiefro » 12 Oct 2008, 01:35

My mistake. The Addendum section in the "Führerliste" also says Reigl was Kdr.III./Pz.GR.48 and NOT Kdr.II./Pz.GR.48...I just read it wrong. However, Kurt Wald's info is correct.

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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by Waffen211 » 13 Oct 2008, 19:03

Yes, in any case, the formation of III./48 is really?

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new info

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Post by Waffen211 » 30 Oct 2008, 00:10

I have found new element in my research...

Kommander of PzGrenRgt 48

Ostubaf Fizthum (20 may 43 - 3 nov 43)
Ostubaf. Joerchel (8 jan 44 - Aprile '44)
Ostubaf. Herbert Garthe (Apr 44 - May '44)
Ostubaf. Benner (May '44 - 27 jul '44)+
Ostubaf. Scheibe (29 jul '44 - ?)
Ostubaf. Massell (??? - 2 Feb 45)+
Ostubaf. Scheibe (??? - 26 Avr '45)+

Someone have major and detailed info? Thanks in advance?

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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by Giorgio » 30 Oct 2008, 20:57

Hello Waffen 211,
here my SS-PGR 48 Commanders list:

SS-Obersturmbannführer Josef Fitzthum: 20 May-03 November 1943.
(………….)
SS-Obersturmbannführer Wolfgang Christian Jörchel: 08 January-? April 1944.

SS-Sturmbannführer Herbert Garthe: ? April-May 1944.

SS-Obersturmbannführer Wolfgang Christian Jörchel: from ? until July 1944.

SS-Obersturmbannführer Richard Benner: early July 1944–KIA 26 July 1944.
(http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... GRSS48.htm)

SS-Obersturmbannführer Siegfried Scheibe: from 29 July 1944 to ?

[Did the German Josef Bachmaier - who rallied the men on Grenadier Hill and led a successful defense against repeated Soviet attacks - replace Scheibe ?]

SS-Obersturmbannführer Paul Massell: from the beginning of 1945 until KIA 02 February 1945.

SS-Sturmbannführer Siegfried Scheibe: ? -KIA 17 April 1945.
He took over the command when the Regiment was reformed in the spring of 1945, after it had been destroyed during the retreat from Narva to the Tannenberg Stel-lung. In this retreat the Regiment was wiped out.

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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by Waffen211 » 30 Oct 2008, 23:55

Thanks Giorgio, but problems are with Bataillon's commander, principally about

I./48 , I./49 e II.49

Someone have info about Kampfgruppe Rehder, who was included in Nederland Division in march 45?

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Post by Endzeit Jan » 12 Jun 2009, 20:16

Hi
SS-Stubaf Fritz Geiger
SS-Hstuf Hans Joachim Rühle von Lilienstern
SS-Hstuf Fritz Tröger
SS-Stubaf. ?? Betzwieser
SS-Hstuf. Vieweger
SS-Stubaf. Heinz Hämel

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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by Waffen211 » 17 Jun 2009, 23:10

Last update list

Comandante Brigata/Divisione: Brigf. Jürgen Wagner (Ottobre '43 – Maggio '45)

Adjutant Stubaf. Christian Steenhold-Schütt

Ia
Stubaf. Dietrich Ziemssen
Hstuf. Helmut Kordts
Stubaf. Jürgen von Bock
Stubaf. Erich Hartmann
Stubaf. Reinhardt Wörner

Ib
Stubaf. Gerhard Noatzke
Ustuf. Konrad Bläss (incl. V)
Ostuf. Henri van 't Hof
Ostuf. Alfons Graf
Hstuf. Fritz Beist
Ostuf. Walter Heggblum

Ic
Ostuf. Paul Koopmann
Hauptmann Schorr
Ostuf. Horst Kühn
Ustuf. Gerhard Närger


PzGrenRgt. 48 'General Seyffardt'

Ostubaf. Josef Fitzthum (20 maggio 1943 – 3 novembre 1943)
Ostubaf. Wolfgang Joerchel (8 gennaio 1944 – Maggio 1944)
Stubaf. Herbert Garthe (Maggio 1944 –Luglio 1944)
Ostubaf. Richard Benner (Luglio 1944 – 27 luglio 1944 †)
Ostubaf. Siegfried Scheibe (29 luglio 1944 - ?)
Ostubaf. Paul Massel (? – 2 febbraio 1944 †)
Ostubaf. Siegfried Scheibe ( 1945 – 17 marzo 1945 †)

I./48
Hans Joachim Rühle von Lilienstern (nov '43 – gennaio '44)
Stubaf. Fritz Geiger (??? – giugno '44)
Stubaf. Karl Betzwieser (??? – 27 Luglio '44) prigioniero
Hstuf. Fritz Tröger (resti del I./48 dopo ritirata da Narva)
Hstuf. Wolfgang Vieweger (ad Hammerstein)


II./48

Stubaf. Helmut Breymann (novembre '43- 27 luglio '44†)
Hstuf. Kurt Wald


III./48(from 1945)
Stubaf. Fritz Geiger
Hstuf. Karl-Heinz Frühauf
Hstuf. Johann Reigl


PzGrenRgt. 49 'De Ruyter'

Ostubaf. Hans Collani † (1 agosto 1943 – 29 luglio 1944
Hstuf. Karl Heins Ertel (29 luglio 1944 – 05 agosto 1944)
Stubaf. Fritz Bunse (5 agosto 1944 – 8 novembre 1944)
Ostubaf. Hans Heinrich Lohmann (8 novembre 1944 – 10 marzo 1945)
Ostubaf. Rudolf Klotz (11 marzo 1945 – 07 aprile 1945)
Ostubaf. Hans Heinrich Lohmann (07 aprile 1945 – 8 maggio 1945)

I./49
Hstuf. Eduard Voorwinden(nov 43- dic 43)
Hstuf. Werner Mosenthin (dic 43 – Ago 44)
Stubaf. Franz Lang
Hstuf. Hans Meyer
Stubaf. Rudolf Walther
Stubaf. Gerhard Unger
Stubaf. Werner Rehder


II./49
Stubaf. Karl Göttsche (nov 43 – Gen '44)
Hstuf. Hans Bürmester (Gen 44 - marzo 1944 †)
Hstuf. Walter Diener (12 marzo 1944 †)
Hstuf. Carl Heinz Frühauf
Ostuf. Helmut Scholz
Hstuf. K.H. Ertel
Stubaf. Otto Petersen (agosto 1944- ?)


Artillerie Regiment 54

Comandanti Staf. Karl Diebitsch (? – novembre 1944)
SS-Obf. Kurt Brasack (novembre 1944 – 20 maggio '44)
Stubaf. Schlüter (maggio '44 - agosto 1944 - ?)
Stubaf. Lothar Hofer


I./ArtRgt 54 10,5cm Stubaf. Joseph Rüschoff

II./ArtRgt 54 l.FH 18 Hstuf. Fritz Topeters †
Hstuf. Quintus de Veer

III./ArtRgt 54 sFH / FlaK Stubaf. Lothar Hofer


Aufklärungs Kompanie 54
Ostuf. Erich Kuhne ( - luglio '44)
Hstuf. Erich Hildenbrandt (luglio '44 – 14 agosto '44 †)

Pionier Btl. 54
Hstuf. Carl Heinz Frühauf (gennaio '44)
Hstuf. Adolf Wolff (marzo '44)
Stubaf. Ernst Wendtland (?)
Stubaf. Adolf Wolff (marzo '45)
Stubaf. Günther Wanhöfer
Hstuf. Gerhard Ilgner (aprile '45)
Hstuf. Kurt-Joachim Schütte (aprile '45)

Panzerjäger Abt. 54 - StuG
Stubaf. Knud Schock
Hstuf. Paul Krauss
Hstuf. Anton Aigner (febbraio '45 - )
Hstuf. Philipp Rösser (febbraio '45 - 21.05.45 †)

Sanitäts Abteilung 54
Stubaf. Dr. van Heutsz
Hstuf. Johannes Dr. Krey
Stubaf. August Dr. Loderhose

Nachrichten Kompanie 54
Hstuf. Wilhem Thissen
Hstuf. Anton Schuler
Ustuf. Botho Kattoll

FlaK Kompanie 54
Ustuf. Nieuwendijk-Hoek
Ustuf. Edmont Le Roux

Feldgendarmerie Trupp 54
Ustuf. Fritz Neukamm

Ausbildungs- und Ersatz Btl. 54
Stubaf. Kurt Pachur

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Re: Command Roster of SS-Brigade Nederland

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Post by Endzeit Jan » 18 Jun 2009, 08:30

Hi
For Addition!!!

Comandante Brigata/Divisione:
Kdr. Brigf.Jürgen Wagner (10.1943 - ??)
Kdr. Oberst ?? Friedrich (14.08.1944 - 30.08.1944)
Kdr. Oberst Paul Kresin (30.08.1944 - ??)
Kdr. Staf. Max Schäfer (19.01.1945 - ??)
Kdr. Brigf.Jürgen Wagner (?? - 02.05.1945)

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Post by Waffen211 » 18 Jun 2009, 11:46

But they are temporary commander, not officially designate as them....

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Post by Endzeit Jan » 19 Jun 2009, 08:39

Hi
According to Moore was Max Schäfer Commander of the Division.

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