SS officers with Hitler in 1932

[mty]

Who are these two SS officers present with Hitler in Tempelhof, Berlin, 1932?

The one on the background looks somewhat like Daluege but then again, I am not sure. Interestingly, the new all-black M32 uniform is apparently just introduced and during this transition phase was often seen with the black kepi, as is the case with this SS figure.


Source: Bundesarchiv collection, Wikimedia

[Michal78]

It is Daluege and behind him with glasses and civil clothes seems to be Heinrich Himmler.
Michal

[Max Williams]

It's not Daluege. The uniform is not SS.
Max.

[mty]

Max: are you sure about that? To me, it seems that the armband has black borders, making it an SS one.

[Max Williams]

I don't think it's black borders. It looks to me as if it's the way the armband is sitting on the sleeve, causing a slight ruffle or crease in the sleeve material and creating a shadow in the image. Possibly the armband is a little too tight for the sleeve. As for the ID of the man, he resembles Daluege, but there is something about him which says it's not him. Daluege did not have "Dumbo" ears which are so set forward that they stick out, like this guy.
Max.

[J. Duncan]

Is it possible that the man in question is Willy Liebel?

[Michal78]

It is not Liebel....

Max
I think he had big enough dumbo ears for the photo above.
Michal

[Max Williams]

Max
I think he had big enough dumbo ears for the photo above.
Michal

No way are those the same ears. Daluege did not have overly protruding ears, as confirmed by your photos and the many photos of him I have. However, the man in the photo with Hitler and Göring has ears which, even when viewed from a side profile, show the back of the ear. His ears stick out like semaphores. Apart from that, I still maintain that is not a SS uniform. Sorry, but it's not Daluege (or Terboven .)
Max.

[Mark Costa]

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall these photos being taken at Templehof in Berlin, so its possible that it is Count Von Helldorf. I see a resemblence to him here.

Mark Costa

[Max Williams]

I may be wrong, but I seem to recall these photos being taken at Templehof in Berlin, so its possible that it is Count Von Helldorf. I see a resemblence to him here.

Mark Costa

Mark,
It's definitely Tempelhof, during the 1932 election campaign, so I think you may be right.
Max.

[mty]

Here is von Helldorf in summer 1932:

Source: Bildarchiv Preussischer Kulturbesitz (url, if the image does not display correctly: http://bpkgate.picturemaxx.com/thumb.ph ... R=30003619)

And a profile shot:

Source: Corbis

His profile is indeed remarkably similar. Yet, the early version SA kepi appears different than the one in the original thread photo. To me, it still looks more like an SS officer's kepi than the SA one. But as we have seen in many similar photos, it is sometimes very hard to distinguish between dark brown SA and black SS uniforms in grayscale photos.

[von thoma]

This picture can solve this old discussion.....Hermann Göring with SS-Gruppenführer Kurt Daluege.

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