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Siege of Budapest German units commanders

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Post by Minotauros » 11 Aug 2009, 14:03

I'm looking for the names and ranks of the commanders of the following SS and Polizei units besieged in Budapest (Hungary) between XI 1944 and 13 II 1945:

1.SS-Polizei Regiment
6.SS-Polizei Regiment
8.SS-Polizei Regiment


18.SS-Kavallerie Regiment (from the 8.SS-Kavallerie Division „Florian Geyer“)

54.SS-Kavallerie Regiment and 22.SS-Artillerie Regiment (from the 22.SS-Freiwilligen-Kavallerie Division „Maria Theresia“)

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Post by karlo » 13 Aug 2009, 03:31

hi...mark yergers book german cross holders of the ss and police vol4 would prob help u out..k


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Post by Minotauros » 13 Aug 2009, 09:20

18.SS-Kavallerie Regiment - SS-Sturmbannführer Hans-Georg von CHARPENTIER (KIA 11 II 1945)

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Post by Minotauros » 13 Aug 2009, 09:34

By the way, SS-Sturmbannführer Karl-Heinz KEITEL, the commander of the 17.SS-Kavallerie Regiment was wounded on 12 XII 1944 then flown out of the cauldron of Budapest. Who took command of the unit after him?

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Post by karlo » 13 Aug 2009, 13:36

Minotauros wrote:By the way, SS-Sturmbannführer Karl-Heinz KEITEL, the commander of the 17.SS-Kavallerie Regiment was wounded on 12 XII 1944 then flown out of the cauldron of Budapest. Who took command of the unit after him?
Hauptsturmfuhrer Bruno Meiert

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Post by Endzeit Jan » 14 Aug 2009, 07:07

Hi
1.SS-Polizei Regiment: SS-Ostubaf. Fritz Grandke
6.SS-Polizei Regiment: SS-Staf. Helmut Dörner
8.SS-Polizei Regiment: Obstlt. Weis

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Post by Ignacio » 14 Aug 2009, 09:21

Bruno Meiert was only a temporary commander of SS-Kav.Rgt. 17. A few days later he was replaced by an Ostubaf. who signed his German Cross in Gold recommendation. The signature was posted in this forum by Mark Yerger some time ago, but nobody identified it. A challenge for experts! This is the document from John Moore's excellent Führeliste.

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Post by Phil Nix » 14 Aug 2009, 12:42

Endzeit Jan wrote:Hi
1.SS-Polizei Regiment: SS-Ostubaf. Fritz Grandke
6.SS-Polizei Regiment: SS-Staf. Helmut Dörner
8.SS-Polizei Regiment: Obstlt. Weis

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Oberstlt Ernst Weis
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Post by RolandP » 14 Aug 2009, 12:56

Dear Ignacio,

in the BA-MA N 756 files, I found a report of a former lieutenant colonel of the German Air Force, Oberstleutnant der Luftwaffe Werner Siegfried, who stated after the war, that after he was transferred to the Waffen-SS as SS-Obersturmbannführer with effect from September 30th 1944, he was send to the 8th SS-Kav.Div as a regimental leader by the SS-FHA.
At Budapest, without any date giving, he stated that he was used as a regimental leader in the 22th SS-Kav.Div.!!
Later he got the order to reform the SS-Kav.Rgt 53 in the Kisber – Babolna area, his regimental Adjutant was a SS- O-/Hstuf. Nemitzer than!

I was not able to check this information because of the lack of information regarding the 22.SS-Frw.Kav.Div. and the command rooster of this division, but I could not help myself, the signing in this document looks like the last name of the former Oberstleutnant der Luftwaffe, “Siegfried”??!! :? :wink:


Regarding the regimental leaders of the police regiments in the Budapast area,
I can confirm the Oberstleutnant der Schutzpolizei Ernst Weis as commander of the new formed SS-Pol.Rgt 8.

The information, that the SS-Ostubaf. Fritz Grandke was commander of the new formed SS-Pol.Rgt 1 is wrong, from Mehner, Waffen-SS and Orpo, page 323, DAL SS 1.10.1944, Nr. 988, stated: Grandke was born 2.9.04, SS-Nr. 323 895, NSDAP 5 681 746, Ostubaf. 30.1.44, Kdr. Nachschub 9.SS-Pz.Div. H

On October 20th 1944, the command rooster of the three regiments looked like this

SS-Polizei-Regiment 1
Kommandeur: Oberstleutnant Helwes Budapest
I. Bataillon (bisher II./SS-Pol. 12), Major Giebe Budapest
II. Bataillon, Hauptmann Järke Barcs
III. Bataillon, Hauptmann Oerke Budapest
Nachr.Zug, 12.verst.Pol.Pz.Kp., 1.Gesch.Bttr.

SS-Polizei-Regiment 6 (bespannt) (in Aufstellung)
Kommandeur: Oberstleutnant Mailwald Barcs
I. Bataillon (bisher II./SS-Pol 20), Major Tillmann Barcs
II. Bataillon (bisher III./ SS-Pol. 21), Hauptmann Kraiker Kaposvar
III. Bataillon, Major Sabatka Barcs
IV. Bataillon, Major Lonz Barcs
Nachr.Zug, Gesch.Bttr

SS-Polizei-Regiment 8 (bespannt) (in Aufstellung)
Kommandeur: Oberstleutnant Weis Dunavöldar
I. Bataillon, Major Lüer Dunavöldar
II. Bataillon, Hauptmann Mehring Dunavöldar
III. Bataillon, Hauptmann Brendel Dunavöldar
IV. Bataillon, Hauptmann Eicker Dunavöldar
Nachr.Zug.
(BA Berlin R 19 451/66)

I couldn´t confirm my thoughts right now, but I think, that the SS-Standartenführer and Oberst of the Schutzpolizei Helmut Dörner was transferred from the 4th SS-Pol.Pz.Gren.Div. to the BdO Budapest as leader or commander of the SS-Pol.Rgt 1 in the city! But I don´t know, what happened to Oberstleutnant Helwes (maybe wounded?)
Dörner was only mentioned as “Battle group commander” in Budapest and I wasn´t able to find any hint, that he took over the SS-Pol.Rgt 1 there, but I haven´t any other position for him in the area of the BdO Budapest in this time periode?? :? :oops:
Maybe someone else would be able to add some more information?

With all the best yours Roland

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 14 Aug 2009, 13:10

Oh, I see!

Thats why I could dig up and down through my files looking for an officer that could fit!

Luftwaffen-Spende!!

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As Far as I know KaGru. Dörner contained remants of SS-Pol.Rgt.1 :wink:

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Post by Ignacio » 14 Aug 2009, 13:45

Dear Roland

Thank you for the information regarding Werner Siegfried. I think that Kurt Bratsch led SS-Kav.Rgt. 53 to the end (Kisber-Bab. is where the regiment began trainning in October 1944). Per your own March 2007 post in the Forum der Wehrmacht (thread Zur Geschichte der SS-Kav.Schule in Göttingen), in February or March 1945 Siegfried reached Beneschau, so it seems he survived the Budapest siege somehow.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 05 Nov 2011, 16:02

But I don´t know, what happened to Oberstleutnant Helwes (maybe wounded?)
Helwes appares again at the Elbefront near Lauenburg during the final days!
II.SS-Pol.Btl. z.b.V. X

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Die letzte Front - Die Kämpfe an der Elbe 1945 Feit/Bechtold p.113f.

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Post by Minotauros » 18 Sep 2012, 18:16

RolandP wrote: I. Bataillon (bisher II./SS-Pol 20), Major Tillmann Barcs
Major der Schutzpolizei Paul TILLMANN.
In 1943 he was the commander of the Polizeisicherungsabteilung an der Durchgangstrasse IV (Strasse der SS) (546 men) in the Ukraine with the rank of a Hauptmann der Schutzpolizei.

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Post by radevich » 23 Jun 2013, 13:49

RolandP wrote:
SS-Polizei-Regiment 8
I. Bataillon, Major Lüer
Lüer, Hermann SS-Nr. 354.160 geb.18.02.1904 NSDAP-Nr. 7.611
SS-Stubaf.: 21.06.1942; Maj. d. Gend.

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Post by radevich » 30 Jun 2013, 16:50

Minotauros wrote:
RolandP wrote: I. Bataillon (bisher II./SS-Pol 20), Major Tillmann Barcs
Major der Schutzpolizei Paul TILLMANN.
In 1943 he was the commander of the Polizeisicherungsabteilung an der Durchgangstrasse IV (Strasse der SS) (546 men) in the Ukraine with the rank of a Hauptmann der Schutzpolizei.
Tillmann, Paul SS-Nr.356 837 geb.16.08.1902 NSDAP-Nr.8 376 312
Stubaf.: 01.10.1942; Major der Schutzpolizei

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