Identifications
Identifications
In photo 1, the man marked out, is that Prof. Gebhardt? Where is this photo from?
In photo 2, the man marked out is maybe von dem Bach?
Any help would be much appreciated!
/Dwicky
In photo 2, the man marked out is maybe von dem Bach?
Any help would be much appreciated!
/Dwicky
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The first picture is in the Alcazar de Toledo,during the Himmler's visit to Spain,at his left is General José Moscardó Ituarte,defender of the fortress during the Spanish Civil War.Where is this photo from?
Visible behind Himmler is Ramón Serrano Suñer,Spanish Foreign Minister at his time.
I think that is not Gebhardt at the first,and neither von dem Bach in the second.
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In the second photo, the arrow points to Reichsleiter Franz Xaver Schwarz.
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Would not rule out Gebhardt as he was an SS Oberfuhrer during
this period and looks like Oberfuhrer tabs too me.
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this period and looks like Oberfuhrer tabs too me.
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Is the man in the second picture Bruno Gesche (behind Brückner)? And who is SS officer next to HH in the 1st photo?
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If one is to compare the unidentified man in the first photo and the photo I've added to this post, there sure is a resemblance. But I'm still not sure.
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This one is Hans-Jürgen von Osten, brother-in-law to Reinhard Heydrich (taken during RH´s funeral).
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I see. In some other thread is was identified as Gebhardt. :
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pavel michalek wrote: And who is SS officer next to HH in the 1st photo?
I thought it could be Jochen Peiper, but no.Because Peiper was in Spain in October 1940 with the Himmler's entourage.
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Here's the thread where the chubby man has been identified as Gebhardt and not von Osten.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1061975
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &p=1061975
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J.Peiper can be behind Karl Wolff....?
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Sorry, but no it is not. It is Karl Gebhardt.pavel michalek wrote:This one is Hans-Jürgen von Osten, brother-in-law to Reinhard Heydrich (taken during RH´s funeral).
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It couldn´t be him as Peiper was in the LAH (should have SS-runes on his right collar patch) and adjutant to HH (should have lanyard over his right shoulder). The man in the photo was officer in the Algemeine-SS or SD/RSHA eventually.von thoma wrote:I thought it could be Jochen Peiper, but no.Because Peiper was in Spain in October 1940 with the Himmler's entourage.
He was identified as von Osten by Czech historian Jaroslav Cvancara in one of his book, though I´ve noticed several times that Cvancara has often been mistaken on Nazi Germany´s personalities ID; so I guess you´re right.Max Williams wrote:Sorry, but no it is not. It is Karl Gebhardt.pavel michalek wrote:This one is Hans-Jürgen von Osten, brother-in-law to Reinhard Heydrich (taken during RH´s funeral).
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pavel michalek wrote:Is the man in the second picture Bruno Gesche (behind Brückner)? And who is SS officer next to HH in the 1st photo?
Pavel:
Yes the SS man in the second photo behind Brückner is indeed Bruno Gesche. The SS Grüppenführer on the far left next to Schwarz is Reichsleiter Wilhelm Grimm.
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This is not entirely correct. A blank right collar patch was also worn by staff on the RuSHA and also various HQ Staff. Himmler's adjutants did not always wear the adjutants' lanyard.pavel michalek wrote:It couldn´t be him as Peiper was in the LAH (should have SS-runes on his right collar patch) and adjutant to HH (should have lanyard over his right shoulder). The man in the photo was officer in the Algemeine-SS or SD/RSHA eventually.
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