SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Roßner question

[lazybather]

Gentleman, I recently read about an SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Roßner in Wildt's "Generation des Unbedingten", (page 397) and he mentions this officer working in R.S.H.A Amt VI and being court-martialed for currency violations.

After a search of the name Hermann Roßner/Hermann Rössner I came across an SS-Sturmbannführer Dr. Rössner; RSHA III C 3: Volkskultur und Kunst but feel sure this is an entirely different man?

I'm sure he's not the same SS-Sturmbannführer Dr. Rössner who led Einsatzgruppe R?

Can anyone clear up the mystery of who SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Roßner was, and be able to provide a short biog?

If he exists, I can order his BDC file.

thanks guys

stuart

[Phil Nix]

Hermann Rossner born 28.6.08 Party Nr 145182 SS Nr 2770 Usf 20.4.34 Osf 9.11.35 Hsf 9.11.36 Sbf 12.3.38 SD 1938 RHSA 1942
Phil Nix

[lazybather]

Thank you Phil

Can anyone confirm that Phil's SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Roßner worked for the R.S.H.A VI E and is the same officer mentioned in Wildt's "Generation des Unbedingten", (page 397)?

thanks guys

stuart

[Mikedc]

Hey Stuart,
The Hermann Rossner mentioned by Phil worked for the SS-RSHA. I only can't confirm that he was working for the department you mentioned but he did work for the RSHA. In 11-42 he was CO from the Sonderkommando R., a special unit set up by the RSHA for deployment in Russia.

Greetings, Mike

[lazybather]

Hi Mike

thanks Mike,

The thing is, I think we all have a good idea of Hermann Roßner SS Nr 2770 career, but I've never heard of him being brought before a court-martial in 1942 for currency speculation....which makes me think its a different officer...

Another one for the BDC list!

stuart

[Georges JEROME]

Hermann Rossner 2770 was an Hauptamtlich SS leader (full time SD leader). He appears in DAL 1942 oct and DAL oct 1944 (promotion Ostubaf 1.11.1942) . On 1940 he was listed as Gruppenleiter VI E (Süd) in RSHA chart 1.2.1940
there is not other entry in DAL at this name. So it's the same man.
Wildt indicates an action was engaged (not martiel court) but not that he was sentenced guilty by the SS and police court for these charges.
Like you say it only BDC files can confirm the decision of the court ans solve problem.

Georges

[lazybather]

Hello Georges, that's great information
His offence, (as you say, an investigation was launched by a court but Jost backed them up and he wasn't prosecuted) was comitted in Belgrade, so it looks as though its the same officer, so thank you again Phil and thank you Georges.

Thank you guys

stuart

[Louis Herrmann]

Hello,
he seems to be my grandfather. Date of birth ist correct.
He was at the VoMi. Ich know verry less about his SS time.
Sorry for my bad English.

Louis

[steve248]

I do not believe the SS charges went anywhere because his career does not appear to have been dented:
28 June 1908 born Berlin
1 Sept 1929 NS No. 145182
SS No. 2770
20 April 1934 commissioned SS-Ustuf
9 Nov 1935 promoted SS-Ostuf
9 Nov 1936 promoted SS-Hstuf, SD-HA
12 March 1938 promoted SS-Stubaf, SD-HA
Nov 1939 RSHA VI C (Gruppenleiter – Süd)
28 Nov 1941 ndvp für das Sonderkommando R in Landau, Russia
1942 awarded KVK II m.Schw. (for the preparatory work for the Sipo-Einsatz in Poland, 1939)
1 Nov 1942 promoted SS-Ostubaf
Nov 1942 SS-Ostubaf, Sonderkommando “R”
1944 “Verantwortlich für den Auffang von Volksdeutschers aus der Ukraine in d. Gebieten Oberschlesien, Nieder-
schlesien und Ost-Sudetengau”
June 1944 SS-Ostubaf, Stab, 8.SS-Kav.Div.
1 July 1944 Gruppenchef, RSHA VI E and Referatsleiter VI E1, VI E2 and VI E3
1957-1965 with BND
1995 John P Moore (of this Forum), met Rossner at a SS-Kav. reunion
24 Oct 1997 died Düsseldorf

[Louis Herrmann]

Yes, this is my grandfather. Thanks for the informations.

Louis

[Shane A Beaver]

According to one source, a Stubaf HERMANN RÖSSNER was Vertreter (Deputy) to the Leiter der Stapostelle "Zichenau-Schröttersburg from 1940 to Spring 1941. Is this the same Hermann Rossner referred to in this post, as I can't find a Hermann Rössner anywhere else? Thanks

[George_W]

According to my info the deputy of Leiter Stapo Zichenau-Schröttersburg between 1940 and 1941 was SS-Stubaf. KR Hermann Rößner (with umlaut), born 02.04.1903 Kronach so the different man.

George

[steve248]

At the time in question here Hermann Rössner was SS-Hstuf.; he states that he was AbtLeiter IV 3 (Spionageabwehr) at Zich.-Schr. which indicates there was a Leiter IV above Rössner who was Vertreter des Leiter. Rössner may have been trying to avoid incriminating himself by not claiming a higher position but I do not know. Interestingly when he was tried in 1954 he forgot to mention his Zich-Schr position and claims instead he was at Troppau (JuNSV, Vol XII, Lfd 402).

[Shane A Beaver]

It appears to me gentlemen that MY Hermann Roessner (sorry, but I can't use umlaut unless I actually submit a post) never reached the rank of SS-Stubaf. (unless it was after October 1944). Furthermore, he is not in the 1938 DAL either! I knew nothing of a trial, Steve, but I suspect that he was downplaying his role at Zichenau and that he was the Deputy Leiter and head of Referat IV. Does anyone have his SS/NSDAP numbers and dates of promotion? Many thanks to all.

[steve248]

Hermann Rossner (no umlaut), born 28 Jan 1908, Berlin, RSHA VI, VOMI and SK "R" resettling Germans from the Ukraine into the Wartheland; NS 145182, SS 2770, SS-Ostubaf from 1 Nov 1942.

Hermann Rössner who we are discussing above for Zichenau: born 2 April 1903, Kronach; NS 5737450, SS 280010; SS-Stubaf from 9 Nov 1943.

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