Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by Pak40 » 26 Jun 2013, 07:03

Hi,
I guess I didn't make myself clear in another topic that I posted not too long ago.

You see, I own some books by Mark Yerger and they are great, but they list a lot of fighting detachments all of which are before Otto Weidinger took over the SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 4. Mark did a fantastic job on Division "Das Reich" (the green cover books) but gave this up before he did the Panzergrenadier-Regiments.

With this said, what I am looking for is the full Officer list for "Der Führer" in the summer or 1944 until the surrender the following spring. I would like to know things like adjutants, TFK's, company commanders and so forth.

OOB's and numbers of vehicles are not needed, just names of unit commanders.

Once again, sorry about my confusion in asking for this. Plus, I do not need lists for before Weidinger took over, Mark provided them in his excellent hard cover series.

Thank You and sincerely, pak40

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Post by Pena V » 26 Jun 2013, 23:06

Here comes:

SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 4 "Der Führer"
14 Jun 1944 - 08 May 1945...Sbf Weidinger Otto (Osbf 09 Nov 1944)

I. Bataillon
(01 Jun 1944) - 30 Jun 1944...Sbf Dieckmann Adolf -> KIA
Jun 1944 - Jul 1944...Hsf Maisenbacher Eugen
Jul 1944 - ??? 1944...Hsf Kluge Wolfram -> 10 Kompanie 20 Aug 1944
??? 1945 - ??? 1945...Sbf Götze Karl
??? 1945 - ??? 1945...Osf Oberstein Ernst
Mar 1945 - May 1945...Sbf Hauser Hans

1. Kompanie
???

2. Kompanie
???

3. Kompanie
??? 1944 - ??? 1944...Hsf Kahn Ernst-Otto

4. Kompanie
??? 1945 - ??? 1945...Schmager Gerhard

II- Bataillon
Aug 1943 - Aug 1944...Sbf Schulze Herbert -> WIA
Aug 1944 - Aug 1944...Osf Schulzer Johannes -> WIA
Aug 1944 - Aug 1944...Hsf Zwörner Ludwig
??? 1944 - Jan 1945...Osf Schulzer Johannes -> WIA (Hsf 09 Nov 1944)
Jan 1945 - Feb 1945...Hsf Schmelzer Heinrich -> 3./SS-Pionier-Bataillon 2
Feb 1942 - May 1945...Hsf Schulzer Johannes

5. Kompanie
Jul 1943 - Aug 1944...Osf Schulzer Johannes -> II Bataillon

6. Kompanie
???

7. Kompanie
???

8. Kompanie
???

III. Bataillon
??? 1944 - 09 Jun 1944...Sbf Kämpfe Helmut -> KIA
09 Jun 1944 - 12 Jun 1944...Usf Manz Heinrich -> 10. Kompanie
12 Jun 1944 - 24 Dec 1944...Hsf Werner Heinz -> WIA (Sbf 09 Nov 1944)
24 Dec 1944 - 26 Dec 1944...Osf Manz Heinrich -> WIA
28 Dec 1944 - 26 Jan 1945...Osf Eberstein Ernst -> 16. Kompanie
Jan 1945 - Feb 1945...Osf Manz Heinrich -> 10. Kompanie (Hsf 30 Jan 1945)
Mar 1945 - May 1945...Sbf Werner Heinz

9. Kompanie
??? 1944 - ??? 1944...Usf Kohls Robert

10. Kompanie
12 Jun 1944 - 20 Aug 1944...Usf Manz Heinrich -> WIA (Osf 21. Jun 1944)
20 Aug 1944 - ??? 1944...Hsf Kluge Wolfram
??? 1944 - 24 Dec 1944...Osf Manz Heinrich -> III. Bataillon
Feb 1945 - May 1945...Hsf Manz Heinrich

11. Kompanie
??? 1944 - ??? 1944...Osf Lang Josef

12. Kompanie
Sep 1943 - Jun 1944...Usf Stix Otto
??? 1944 - 05 Sep 1944...Hsf Heder Wilhelm -> KIA
05 Sep 1944 - ??? 1944...Osf Manz Heinrich

13. Kompanie (IG)
???

14. Kompanie (Flak)
???

15. Kompanie (Kradsch)
???

16. Kompanie (Pion)
29 Sep 1943 - 28 Dec 1944...Usf Eberstein Ernst (Osf 21 Jun 1944)
28 Dec 1944 - Jan 1945...Wulf Joachim -> WIA
Jan 1945 - 26 Jan 1945...Osf Lautenschlager Hans -> KIA
26 Jan 1945 - May 1945...Osf Eberstein Ernst

Osbf = SS-Obersturmbannführer
Sbf = SS-Sturmbannführer
Hsf = SS-Hauptsturmführer
Osf = SS-Obersturmführer
Usf = SS-Untersturmführer

Initially I thought that I'd have much more names but you are right there is still a lot to be done.

Regards,

Pena V


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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 27 Jun 2013, 03:06

9. Kompanie
??? 1944 - ??? 1944...Usf Kohls Robert


Can you help with his date of birth and his previous military records? Thanks

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Post by Mark C. Yerger » 27 Jun 2013, 03:57

As veterans of the division were unable to assemble a complete divisional list for that period, with input at all levels including divisional IIa, Ia, all I had, etc, I never published fragments of elements as they serve no purpose. I have parts of Btl, etc but the periods don't match other elements, etc. An exact like those in the first 2 volumes of my GC series I venture to say is an impossibility to be complete at any given time in 1944-45.

There is a full (complete) early list for Kampfgruppe "Das Reich" on December 17, 1943, in the addendum of volume 5 of my German Cross series, the final larger list I could confirm on a specific date but as stated is at the very end of 1943 It's more complete than vol. 2 of "Knights of Steel but involves of course more material and more years research (we all continue to learn). But even those posts changed rapidly within 2-3 weeks with movement of personnel, etc. A full/complete list is rare that's confirmed on a specific date. Most Personalakte lack anywhere close to posting dates/changes for lower rank officers. And transfers/wounds/KIA during combat periods make it a near impossibility at a given point in time, unless of course during a rebuild, forming, etc. Even Stückler (Ia) could remember those around him in 1944 for the divisional staff. Most complete I have is for the Kradschützen Bataillon (earlier war period).

Dates for Werner are from volume 2, "German Cross in Gold Holders of the SS and Police." Books can fill a number of the gaps listed, though technical personnel can be difficult (TFK, TFW, lower medical officers, etc). Werner remained Bataillonskommandeur from June 12, 1944, to end of war, Manz and similar only Bataillonsführer. Here is Weidinger and Werner in the rather hard to find 1945 period. Weidinger thought he was the best officer he ever had under his command. Rare within the WSS being awarded the Close Combat Clasp in Gold along with his DK and RK.
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Post by Mark C. Yerger » 27 Jun 2013, 04:36

Georg Seegerer, last IIa of "Der Führer"
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Post by Pena V » 28 Jun 2013, 22:58

Moniroth,

About Robert Kohls. In most cases I can track my sources but this is a mystery for me too. I have written down that Kohls was the CO of 9. Kompanie at least during the summer of 1944 and that he was an Untersturmführer in the beginning of the summer and an Obersturmführer in the end of the summer. Nothing else :(

One thing I forgot to say. Most of the info comes from Mark Yerger's excellent DKiG-series.

And Moniroth...thanks for sharing the PGR2 info.

Regards,

Pena

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Post by Pak40 » 30 Jun 2013, 04:04

To all,
Thank you so much for your replies.

Mark, thank you especially for answering my question.

Chris :thumbsup:

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Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 30 Jun 2013, 06:09

Pena, no worries, many things will be a mystery for all of us till we get the fuhrerliste.

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Post by Charles Trang » 03 Jul 2013, 13:09

A complete Führerstellenbesetzung for SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt.4 "DF" exists for 1 June 1944 and can be viewed in a roll detained by the IHTP (Institut Historique du Temps Présent) in Cachan, near Paris.

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Post by Mikedc » 03 Jul 2013, 18:39

SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment 4 "Der Führer"
14 Jun 1944 - 08 May 1945...Sbf Weidinger Otto (Osbf 09 Nov 1944)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Dr. Barthel Garding(IVb 2-44)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Heinz Werner(IIa ??-44/12-6-44)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Albert Herbst(TFK 6-44/??-45)
SS-Obersturmführer Georg Seegerer(IIa 12-6-44/6-5-45)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Otto Behrendt(TFK 6-44/??)

I. Bataillon
(01 Jun 1944) - 30 Jun 1944...Sbf Dieckmann Adolf -> KIA
Jun 1944 - Jul 1944...Hsf Maisenbacher Eugen
Jul 1944 - ??? 1944...Hsf Kluge Wolfram -> 10 Kompanie 20 Aug 1944
??? 1945 - ??? 1945...Sbf Götze Karl
??? 1945 - ??? 1945...Osf Oberstein Ernst
Mar 1945 - May 1945...Sbf Hauser Hans
SS-Hauptsturmführer Dr. Walter Pöschel(IVb 2-43/??-44)
SS-Sturmbannführer Karl August Götsche(commander 3-45/??-4-45)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Albert Engelmann(commander ??-4-45 till 10-4-45)

1. Kompanie
???
SS-Obersturmführer Scholz(commander 6-44) Most likely identical to Kurt Scholz
SS-Hauptsturmführer Kurt Scholz(commander 1-45)

2. Kompanie
???
SS-Obersturmführer Gerhard Schwarz(commander 6-44)

3. Kompanie
??? 1944 - ??? 1944...Hsf Kahn Ernst-Otto
SS-Hauptsturmführer Erich-Otto Kahn(commander 6-44)
SS-Untersturmführer Heinz Barth(IIa 6-44)
SS-Oberscharführer Karl Lenz(IIa 6-44)
SS-Untersturmführer Lothar Klaar(commander ??-44 till 1-7-44)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Karl Gerlach(commander 11-44)

4. Kompanie
??? 1945 - ??? 1945...Schmager Gerhard
SS-Obersturmführer Rosenstock(commander 6-44)

II- Bataillon
Aug 1943 - Aug 1944...Sbf Schulze Herbert -> WIA
Aug 1944 - Aug 1944...Osf Schulzer Johannes -> WIA
Aug 1944 - Aug 1944...Hsf Zwörner Ludwig
??? 1944 - Jan 1945...Osf Schulzer Johannes -> WIA (Hsf 09 Nov 1944)
Jan 1945 - Feb 1945...Hsf Schmelzer Heinrich -> 3./SS-Pionier-Bataillon 2
Feb 1942 - May 1945...Hsf Schulzer Johannes
SS-Untersturmführer Josef Pumm(IIa 7-44/11-44)
SS-Obersturmführer Jakob Burkhardt(IVa 4-45)

5. Kompanie
Jul 1943 - Aug 1944...Osf Schulzer Johannes -> II Bataillon

6. Kompanie
???
SS-Obersturmführer Lothar Nehrkorn(platooncommander ??-43/??-1-45)
SS-Obersturmführer Jakob Burkhardt(commander 10-43/??)

7. Kompanie
???
SS-Untersturmführer Hans Spaczek-Streer(platooncommander 6-43/??)
SS-Untersturmführer Günther Zerges(platooncommander 7-43/7-44)

8. Kompanie
???
SS-Untersturmführer Hans Polanski(platooncommander 4-43/11-44)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Josef ‘Sepp’ Unterkofler(commander 7-43/3-44)

III. Bataillon
??? 1944 - 09 Jun 1944...Sbf Kämpfe Helmut -> KIA
09 Jun 1944 - 12 Jun 1944...Usf Manz Heinrich -> 10. Kompanie
12 Jun 1944 - 24 Dec 1944...Hsf Werner Heinz -> WIA (Sbf 09 Nov 1944)
24 Dec 1944 - 26 Dec 1944...Osf Manz Heinrich -> WIA
28 Dec 1944 - 26 Jan 1945...Osf Eberstein Ernst -> 16. Kompanie
Jan 1945 - Feb 1945...Osf Manz Heinrich -> 10. Kompanie (Hsf 30 Jan 1945)
Mar 1945 - May 1945...Sbf Werner Heinz
SS-Obersturmführer Otto Behrendt(TFK 2-43/6-44)
SS-Untersturmführer Herbert Arlt(IVa 7-43/6-44)
SS-Untersturmführer Josef Pumm(IIa 1-44/7-44)
SS-Obersturmführer Dr. Ladislaus Müller(IVb 6-44)

9. Kompanie
??? 1944 - ??? 1944...Usf Kohls Robert
SS-Obersturmführer Helmut Scheu(platooncommander 7-43/7-44)
SS-Untersturmführer Kohs(commander 6-44) Must be identical to Robert Kohls
SS-Untersturmführer Kurt Cronjäger(commander 12-44)

10. Kompanie
12 Jun 1944 - 20 Aug 1944...Usf Manz Heinrich -> WIA (Osf 21. Jun 1944)
20 Aug 1944 - ??? 1944...Hsf Kluge Wolfram
??? 1944 - 24 Dec 1944...Osf Manz Heinrich -> III. Bataillon
Feb 1945 - May 1945...Hsf Manz Heinrich
SS-Obersturmführer Gross(commander 7-44)

11. Kompanie
??? 1944 - ??? 1944...Osf Lang Josef
SS-Untersturmführer Felix Neudeck(platooncommander 7-43/11-44)
SS-Obersturmführer Lang(commander 6-44) Must be identical to Josef Lang

12. Kompanie
Sep 1943 - Jun 1944...Usf Stix Otto
??? 1944 - 05 Sep 1944...Hsf Heder Wilhelm -> KIA
05 Sep 1944 - ??? 1944...Osf Manz Heinrich
SS-Sturmbannführer Josef Rottach(commander 2-42/7-44)
SS-Untersturmführer Adolf Peichl(platooncommander ??-43/??)
SS-Untersturmführer Stiks(commander 6-44)
SS-Obersturmführer Heinrich Manz(commander 12-44)

13. Kompanie (IG)
???
SS-Obersturmführer Erich Lenthe(commander 6-44)
SS-Obersturmführer Karl-Friedrich Urban(commander ??-6-44/??-11-44)

14. Kompanie (Flak)
???
SS-Hauptsturmführer Alfred Herrmann(commander 11-43 till 23-7-44)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Friedrich Hermann(commander 6-44)

15. Kompanie (Kradsch)
???
SS-Hauptsturmführer Rudolf Haefke(commander 6-44)

16. Kompanie (Pion)
29 Sep 1943 - 28 Dec 1944...Usf Eberstein Ernst (Osf 21 Jun 1944)
28 Dec 1944 - Jan 1945...Wulf Joachim -> WIA
Jan 1945 - 26 Jan 1945...Osf Lautenschlager Hans -> KIA
26 Jan 1945 - May 1945...Osf Eberstein Ernst

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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by PATRICK CHARRON » 15 Jul 2013, 00:53

Hello,
I made a list, crossing information from sources available to me.
My list is dated June 6, 1944 and can serve as a basis for those who want to complete for the following period.
I think because of the numerous war crimes committed in France in the spring of 1944 by Das Reich that the veterans remained discreet about this period.
Weidinger didn’t make Stellenbesetzungsliste in his books when he was commander of the regiment and in relation after the war with Stadler Lammerding, Schulze, Werner etc ...
May be some members could make some correction or add some names.

SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment.4 « Der Führer »: June 6, 1944

Kdr : SS-Staf Sylvester Stadler 30.12.10 SS.Nr 139 495

Werner, Heinz Hstuf. 2.12.17 SS Nr 351 243 Adj.Pz.GR.4
Buchwald, Karl-Heinz Ustuf. 18. 2.22 SS Nr 466 512 OO,Pz.GR.4
Herbst, Albert Hstuf. 30. 3.10 SS Nr 269 599 TFK,Pz.GR.4
Pugelsheim, Hans Ustuf. 15.12.19 490 300 TFK,Pz.GR.4


I./ SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment.4 (mot) « Der Führer
Kdr : SS-Stubaf Adolf Diekmann 18.12.14 SS Nr 309 894 †30/6/44

Lange, Friedrich Ostuf. 31. 3.15 SS Nr 422 081 Adj.I./Pz.GR.4

1./Pz.GR.4
Scholz, Kurt Ostuf. 25. 1.20 SS Nr 400 034 Chef,1./Pz.GR.4 1.45
Burgardt, Werner Ustuf. 12. 2.22 1./Pz.GR.4 †29. 7.44
Burghardt, Rudolf Ustuf. 10. 6.20 SS Nr 461 166 1./Pz.GR.4
Meyhöfer, Fritz Ostuf. 22. 8.19 SS Nr 347 542 1./Pz.GR.4

2./Pz.GR.4
Schwarz, Werner Ostuf. 7.10.19 SS Nr 340 054 Chef,2./Pz.GR.4 ‡29. 7.44

3./Pz.GR.4
Kahn, Erich Otto Hstuf. 4. 3.08 SS Nr 400 004 Chef,3./Pz.GR.4
Barth, Heinz Ostuf. 15.10.20 SS Nr 458 037 3./Pz.GR.4
Klaar, Lothar Ustuf. 19.11.24 SS Nr 428 860 3./Pz.GR.4


4./Pz.GR.4
Rosenstock, Kurt Hstuf. 19. 7.14 SS Nr 289 962 Chef,4./Pz.GR.4 †24.12.44 Odeigne

II./ SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment.4 (mot) « Der Führer »
Kdr : SS-Stubaf Herbert Schulze (11/43-1/7/44), RK : 16/12/1943, DKG : 29/5/1943

Redlich, Bodo Ostuf. 27. 3.22 SS Nr 421 108 Adj.II./Pz.GR.4 †28.12.44
Spriegel, Walther Ostuf. 3. 2.21 SS Nr 474 379 OO,II./Pz.GR.4 † 3. 4.45 Moosbrunn
Brandner, Franz Ostuf. 29.10.18 SS Nr 461 165 TFK,Pz.GR.4
Burkhardt, Jakob Ostuf. 11. 2.20 SS Nr 309 396 IVa,II./Pz.GR.4
Göbert, Ernst Ostuf. 1. 3.14 OO,II./Pz.GR.4

5./Pz.GR.4
Schulzer, Hans Ostuf. 31. 5.18 SS Nr 390 644 Chef,5./Pz.GR.4
Dittmann, Kurt Ostuf. 6. 4.20 SS Nr 455 968 5./Pz.GR.4 †18. 4.45
Vilzmann, Georg Ostuf. 15. 7.20 SS Nr 455 698 5./Pz.GR.4

6./Pz.GR.4
Zwörner, Ludwig Ostuf 31. 1.13 SS Nr 40 608 6./Pz.GR.4
Bielefeld, Erich Ustuf. 19. 5.17 SS Nr 345 094 6./Pz.GR.4 †29. 7.44

7./Pz.GR.4
Seibert, Karl Ustuf. 24. 5.22 SS Nr 422 948 7./Pz.GR.4
Reichholf, Alois Ustuf. 3.11.16 SS Nr 421 285 7./Pz.GR.4
Pumm, Josef Ustuf. 19. 7.21 SS Nr 455 602 7./Pz.GR.4

8./Pz.GR.4
Froni, Josef Ustuf. 30. 8.20 SS Nr 475 331 8./Pz.GR.4 ‡18. 8.44

III./ SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment.4 « Der Führer » gep.
Kdr : SS-Stubaf Helmut Kämpfe 31. 7.09 SS Nr 124 465 † 10. 6.44

Weyrauch, Hermann Ustuf. 27.11.12 SS Nr 214 245 Adj.III./Pz.GR.4
Behrendt, Otto Hstuf. 29.12.10 SS Nr 168 658 TFK,III./Pz.GR.4
Brachert, Heinrich Ostuf. 3. 8.14 SS Nr 120 692 TFW,III./Pz.GR.4
Maaß, Heinz Ustuf. 13. 9.20 SS Nr 389 320 NO,III./Pz.GR.4
Müller, Wilhelm Hstuf. 30. 1.15 SS Nr 382 545 IVb,III./Pz.GR.4
Wollenweber, Rolf Ustuf. 16. 7.18 SS Nr 288 106

9./Pz.GR.4
Kohs, Robert Ostuf. 5. 5.13 SS Nr 99 797 Chef,9./Pz.GR.4
Cronjäger, Kurt Ostuf. 7. 7.21 SS Nr 455 963 Chef,9./Pz.GR.4

10./Pz.GR.4
Manz, Heinrich Ostuf. 12. 6.12 SS Nr 67 350 Chef,10./Pz.GR.4

11./Pz.GR.4
Lang, Josef Ostuf. 16. 2.22 SS Nr 421 073 Chef,11./Pz.GR.4 †30. 7.44
Les Bigotieres
Weiß, Edelbert Ustuf. 1. 7.22 SS Nr 378 071 11./Pz.GR.4 ‡ 3. 9.44
Sembol, Rudolf Ostuf. 13. 6.10 SS Nr 245 973 Chef,11./Pz.GR.4 †26. 8.44 Elbeuf

12./Pz.GR.4
Heder, Wilhelm Hstuf. 27. 7.13 SS Nr 68 928 Chef,12./Pz.GR.4 † 5. 9.44 b.Dinant
Stix, Otto Ustuf. 16.10.19 SS Nr 470 255 12./Pz.GR.4 †22. 4.45
Schellner, August Ustuf. 28. 4.21 SS Nr 476 145
Peichl, Adolf Hscha. 8.12.17 12./Pz.GR.4


13./Pz.GR.4
Urban, Karl-Friedrich Ostuf. 24. 3.11SS Nr 57 996 Chef,13./Pz.GR.4 ‡ .45
Lenthe, Erich Ustuf. 2. 6.21 SS Nr 423 831 Chef,13./Pz.GR.4

14./Pz.GR.4
Herrmann, Alfred Hstuf. 22. 8.17 SS Nr 353 072 Chef,14./Pz.GR.4 †23. 7.44 Raids

15./Pz.GR.4
Haefcke, Rudolf Hstuf. 11. 1.14 SS Nr 40 753 Chef,15./Pz.GR.4 ‡ 5. 1.45
Winkler, Josef Ustuf. 17. 6.22 SS Nr 348 101 Chef,15./Pz.GR.4 †21. 6.44 b.Conti

16./Pz.GR.4
v.Eberstein, Ernst Ostuf 19. 7.13 SS Nr 292 136 Chef,16./Pz.GR.4
Jablonski, Alfred Ustuf. 5. 3.19 SS Nr 327 266 16./Pz.GR.4 ‡ 4.45


Sources: John Moore Führerliste
German Cross in Gold series 6 vol. Mark Yerger
List by „Rapport Cabanne Commission enquête»

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Patrick

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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by Ignacio » 21 Jul 2013, 22:31

Hi Charles, would like to get a copy of the 1.06.1944 Führerstellenbesetzungsliste !!!!

By late April 1944 were listed in the regimental staff

Stubaf. Richard Müller (regimental IVa)
Hastuf. Heinz Werner (regimental Adjutant)
Ostuf. Ludolf Westphal (TFW)
Ostuf. Georg Gaul (Musikzug)
Hastuf. Dr. Heinz Küsters (regimental Doctor, IVb)
Ostuf. Dr. Carl Schultz (Hilfsarzt?, Zahnarzt?)
Ustuf. Sepp Jöchl (TFK)
Ustuf. Felix Baumgärtner (unknown position)
Ustuf. Rolf Wollenweber (unknown position)

Regards from Madrid

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Post by Charles Trang » 22 Jul 2013, 09:32

Hi Ignacio,

When I went to Cachan, my goal was to gather documents on the Totenkopf-Division. I just saw the Der Führer Führerstellenbesetzungsliste but did not make the copy, thinking that I would make it in a future visit ! That was in 2003 and I never got back there since. I am not greatly interested by Das Reich because it is politically incorrect to write and publish something on it in France. That is why I am concentrating my efforts on other SS units. My post was just an information for those who are very motivated by the subject and able to make the trip to Paris.

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Post by PATRICK CHARRON » 02 Aug 2013, 17:38

Here is my own completed list with a few names most from the John Moore.Führerliste
I added too those given by Ignacio.
I gave a symbolic date of June 6, 1944, knowing that the training period and the losses resulted many changes and that the time frame is in fact spring-summer 1944‘
So, the topic title is "summer 1944" and it might be good to stay this period
which includes the Normandy campaign before moving to the end of 1944 and 1945.
Thanks Charles and one day I hope to see this Stellenbestzungsliste June 1, 1944.
All corrections are welcome.


SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment.4 « Der Führer »: June 6, 1944
Kdr : SS-Staf Sylvester Stadler 30.12.10 SS.Nr 139 495
Werner, Heinz Hstuf. 2.12.17 SS Nr 351 243 Adj.Pz.GR.4
Buchwald, Karl-Heinz Ustuf. 18. 2.22 SS Nr 466 512 OO,Pz.GR.4
Herbst, Albert Hstuf. 30. 3.10 SS Nr 269 599 TFK,Pz.GR.4
Pugelsheim, Hans Ustuf. 15.12.19 490 300 TFK,Pz.GR.4


I./ SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment.4 (mot) « Der Führer
Kdr : SS-Stubaf Adolf Diekmann 18.12.14 SS Nr 309 894 †30/6/44

Lange, Friedrich Ostuf. 31. 3.15 SS Nr 422 081 Adj.I./Pz.GR.4

1./Pz.GR.4
Scholz, Kurt Ostuf. 25. 1.20 SS Nr 400 034 Chef,1./Pz.GR.4 1.45
Burgardt, Werner Ustuf. 12. 2.22 1./Pz.GR.4 †29. 7.44
Burghardt, Rudolf Ustuf. 10. 6.20 SS Nr 461 166 1./Pz.GR.4
Lainer Josef (Sepp) Hscha 13.03.20 Pz.GR.4
Meyhöfer, Fritz Ostuf. 22. 8.19 SS Nr 347 542 1./Pz.GR.4


2./Pz.GR.4
Schwarz, Werner Ostuf. 7.10.19 SS Nr 340 054 Chef,2./Pz.GR.4 ‡29. 7.44

3./Pz.GR.4
Kahn, Erich Otto Hstuf. 4. 3.08 SS Nr 400 004 Chef,3./Pz.GR.4
Barth, Heinz Ostuf. 15.10.20 SS Nr 458 037 3./Pz.GR.4
Klaar, Lothar Ustuf. 19.11.24 SS Nr 428 860 3./Pz.GR.4


4./Pz.GR.4
Rosenstock, Kurt Hstuf. 19. 7.14 SS Nr 289 962 Chef,4./Pz.GR.4 †24.12.44 Odeigne
Küpferle, Karl Ustuf. 5. 6.20 SS Nr 378 257 4./Pz.GR.4 † 5. 7.44

II./ SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment.4 (mot) « Der Führer »
Kdr : SS-Stubaf Herbert Schulze (11/43-1/7/44), RK : 16/12/1943, DKG : 29/5/1943

Redlich, Bodo Ostuf. 27. 3.22 SS Nr 421 108 Adj.II./Pz.GR.4 †28.12.44
Spriegel, Walther Ostuf. 3. 2.21 SS Nr 474 379 OO,II./Pz.GR.4 † 3. 4.45 Moosbrunn
Brandner, Franz Ostuf. 29.10.18 SS Nr 461 165 TFK,Pz.GR.4
Burkhardt, Jakob Ostuf. 11. 2.20 SS Nr 309 396 IVa,II./Pz.GR.4
Fuchs, Hans-Joachim Dr Hstuf. 4. 2.16 SS Nr 283 406 IVb,II./Pz.GR.4 †13. 8.44
Göbert, Ernst Ostuf. 1. 3.14 OO,II./Pz.GR.4
Kotte, Willi Ustuf. 29. 3.22 OO,II./Pz.GR.4 † 9. 7.44

5./Pz.GR.4
Schulzer, Hans Ostuf. 31. 5.18 SS Nr 390 644 Chef,5./Pz.GR.4
Dittmann, Kurt Ostuf. 6. 4.20 SS Nr 455 968 5./Pz.GR.4 †18. 4.45
Vilzmann, Georg Ostuf. 15. 7.20 SS Nr 455 698 5./Pz.GR.4
Habicht, Harald Ustuf. 19. 3.22 SS Nr 398 534 5./Pz.GR.4 † 8. 8.44

6./Pz.GR.4
Zwörner, Ludwig Ostuf 31. 1.13 SS Nr 40 608 6./Pz.GR.4
Bielefeld, Erich Ustuf. 19. 5.17 SS Nr 345 094 6./Pz.GR.4 †29. 7.44
Bauer, Heinz Ustuf. 18.10.24 6./Pz.GR.4 †28. 7.44


7./Pz.GR.4
Seibert, Karl Ustuf. 24. 5.22 SS Nr 422 948 7./Pz.GR.4
Reichholf, Alois Ustuf. 3.11.16 SS Nr 421 285 7./Pz.GR.4

Pumm, Josef Ustuf. 19. 7.21 SS Nr 455 602 7./Pz.GR.4

8./Pz.GR.4
Froni, Josef Ustuf. 30. 8.20 SS Nr 475 331 8./Pz.GR.4 ‡18. 8.44

III./ SS-Panzergrenadier-Regiment.4 « Der Führer » gep.
Kdr : SS-Stubaf Helmut Kämpfe 31. 7.09 SS Nr 124 465 † 10. 6.44
Weyrauch, Hermann Ustuf. 27.11.12 SS Nr 214 245 Adj.III./Pz.GR.4
Kluge, Wolfram Hstuf. 18.12.15 SS Nr 172 785 Chef,Stb.Kp.III./Pz.GR.4
Behrendt, Otto Hstuf. 29.12.10 SS Nr 168 658 TFK,III./Pz.GR.4
Brachert, Heinrich Ostuf. 3. 8.14 SS Nr 120 692 TFW,III./Pz.GR.4
Maaß, Heinz Ustuf. 13. 9.20 SS Nr 389 320 NO,III./Pz.GR.4
Müller, Wilhelm Hstuf. 30. 1.15 SS Nr 382 545 IVb,III./Pz.GR.4
Wollenweber, Rolf Ustuf. 16. 7.18 SS Nr 288 106
Schweiger, Ernst Hscha. 12. 2.12 SS Nr 139 484 Stab III/Pz.GR.4.
9./Pz.GR.4
Kohs, Robert Ostuf. 5. 5.13 SS Nr 99 797 Chef,9./Pz.GR.4
Cronjäger, Kurt Ostuf. 7. 7.21 SS Nr 455 963 Chef,9./Pz.GR.4
v.Scholz, Harald Ustuf. 28. 4.23 476 154 9./Pz.GR.4
Praetorius, Frank Ustuf. 25.11.20 SS Nr 363 573 9./Pz.GR.4 †18. 8.44

10./Pz.GR.4
Manz, Heinrich Ostuf. 12. 6.12 SS Nr 67 350 Chef,10./Pz.GR.4

11./Pz.GR.4
Lang, Josef Ostuf. 16. 2.22 SS Nr 421 073 Chef,11./Pz.GR.4 †30. 7.44
Les Bigotieres
Weiß, Edelbert Ustuf. 1. 7.22 SS Nr 378 071 11./Pz.GR.4 ‡ 3. 9.44
Sembol, Rudolf Ostuf. 13. 6.10 SS Nr 245 973 Chef,11./Pz.GR.4 †26. 8.44 Elbeuf

12./Pz.GR.4
Heder, Wilhelm Hstuf. 27. 7.13 SS Nr 68 928 Chef,12./Pz.GR.4 † 5. 9.44 b.Dinant
Stix, Otto Ustuf. 16.10.19 SS Nr 470 255 12./Pz.GR.4 †22. 4.45
Schellner, August Ustuf. 28. 4.21 SS Nr 476 145
Peichl, Adolf Hscha. 8.12.17 12./Pz.GR.4

13./Pz.GR.4
Urban, Karl-Friedrich Ostuf. 24. 3.11SS Nr 57 996 Chef,13./Pz.GR.4 ‡ .45
Lenthe, Erich Ustuf. 2. 6.21 SS Nr 423 831 Chef,13./Pz.GR.4

14./Pz.GR.4
Herrmann, Alfred Hstuf. 22. 8.17 SS Nr 353 072 Chef,14./Pz.GR.4 †23. 7.44 Raids

15./Pz.GR.4
Haefcke, Rudolf Hstuf. 11. 1.14 SS Nr 40 753 Chef,15./Pz.GR.4 ‡ 5. 1.45
Winkler, Josef Ustuf. 17. 6.22 SS Nr 348 101 Chef,15./Pz.GR.4 †21. 6.44 b.Conti

16./Pz.GR.4
v.Eberstein, Ernst Ostuf 19. 7.13 SS Nr 292 136 Chef,16./Pz.GR.4
Jablonski, Alfred Ustuf. 5. 3.19 SS Nr 327 266 16./Pz.GR.4 ‡ 4.45


Position to be confirmed
Anewanter, Anton Ostuf. 20. 7.09 SS Nr 130 080 Pz.GR.4
Baumgärtner, Felix Ostuf. 14. 1.05 SS Nr 54 583 Pz.GR.4
Bruder, Oswald Ustuf. 31. 5.14 SS Nr 199 121 TFK,Pz.GR.4
Gaul, Georg Hstuf. 29.12.88 SS Nr 275 894 Pz.GR.4
Gruber, Karl Dr Ustuf. 30.11.09 448 545 II./Pz.GR.4 † 8. 8.44
Jöchl, Sepp Ustuf. 6. 9.16 SS Nr 461 475 TFK,II./Pz.GR.4
Karl, Alexander Ustuf. 25. 9.13 Pz.GR.4
Karow, Willi Hstuf. 7. 9.93 SS Nr 258 052 Musikzug
Küsters, Heinz Dr Hstuf. 2. 9.11 SS Nr 86 153 IVb,II./Pz.GR.4
Müller, Richard Hstuf. 7. 6.08 SS Nr 9 433 IVa,Pz.GR.4
Rummler, Johann Ostuf. 5.12.09 353 135 IVb,Pz.GR.4 † 7. 9.44
Schultz, Carl Dr Hstuf. 24.12.10 SS Nr 179 483 Pz.GR.4
Schulz, Gerhard Ustuf. 27. 9.23 SS Nr 383 094 Pz.GR.4
Westphal, Ludolf Ostuf. 18.11.13 SS Nr 45 012 TFW,Pz.GR.4

Sources: John Moore Führerliste
German Cross in Gold series 6 vol. Mark Yerger
List by „Rapport Cabanne Commission enquête»

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Patrick

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Re: Officer List for "Der Führer" in Summer 1944?

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Post by Moniroth You-Bell » 02 Aug 2013, 18:48

Outstanding patrick

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