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SS-Sturmbannführer from Lublin to ID

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Post by dan734 » 13 Sep 2014, 21:47

Hello! Can you help me to ID this man? Thanks in advance!
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Post by Ponury » 25 Oct 2014, 19:35

Hoffle?


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Post by George_W » 25 Oct 2014, 22:31

These SS-Stubaf were assigned to the stab of SSPF Lublin (1940-1944):

Sepp Nemetz, Hermann Höfle, Ernst Lerch, Hans Maubach, Georg Wippern, Karl Streibel, NN Eimann, NN Lange, NN Klemens,
NN Diehl, Dr. Kurt Sickel, Dr. Heinz Poetschlack, NN Dunkel, Dr. Claus.

Maybe it's one of them? Obviously not Lerch.

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Post by Max Williams » 26 Oct 2014, 02:13

It's not Hermann Höfle.
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Post by PF » 01 Dec 2014, 17:42

Several Clues:
His rank is that of a Major {A Lt Col would have bars under the four points on Collar insignia}
He wears an armband on his sleeve but no apparent Unit name.
He was awarded the Iron Cross 2nd class {Clasp in coat buttonhole}

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Post by Max Williams » 01 Dec 2014, 20:14

PF wrote:Several Clues:
His rank is that of a Major {A Lt Col would have bars under the four points on Collar insignia}
He wears an armband on his sleeve but no apparent Unit name.
He was awarded the Iron Cross 2nd class {Clasp in coat buttonhole}
He is wearing the uniform of a SS-Sturmbannführer, not a major.
The blank armband and blank collar patch in this case almost certainly signifies attachment to the SD. Globocnik's staff usually wore no armband or alternatively a SD-Hauptamt embroidered armband. My guess is that he was either a member of the Sipo or SD based in Lublin, but not on Globocnik's staff.
It is definitely not Hermann Höfle, Hans Maubach or Ernst Lerch.
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Post by PF » 02 Dec 2014, 01:39

Didnt the SD wear a diamond SD patch on the sleeve?

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Post by Max Williams » 02 Dec 2014, 01:42

PF wrote:Didnt the SD wear a diamond SD patch on the sleeve?
Not always.
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Post by steve248 » 02 Dec 2014, 18:22

If Max is correct and the SS-Stubaf is from the Sipo or SD Lublin, then the list of possibles can be narrowed down.

The Kommandeur (KdS) Dr Johannes Müller, July or Sept 1941 to Oct 1943:
he was SS-Stubaf until promoted SS-Ostubaf on 21 Aug 1942

His successor as Kommander, Dr Karl Pütz, Oct 1943-Aug 1944
he was SS-Stubaf until promoted SS-Ostubaf on 20 Apr 1944

Unlikely to be Leiter III (SD) Friedrich Buchardt as he left in March 1941, and not promoted SS-Stubaf until 1942 (?).
His successor as Leiter III was Fritz Stocker, until 1943, but he wasn't promoted SS-Stubaf unitl 30 Jan 1944.
His successor as Leiter III was Ewald Biegelmeyer, until July 1944 and only promoted SS-Stubaf again on 30 Jan 1944.

The Leiter IV was Johann Schmer, Nov-Dec 1941 only, and not promoted SS-Stubaf again on 30 Jan 1944.
His successar as Leiter IV was Walter Liska, Dec 1941 to July 1944, promoted SS-Stubaf on 30 Jan 1943 (repeat 1943).

From this list the three prime candidates are Johannes Müller, Karl Pütz and Walter Liska.

Over to you guys with photos for a comparison.

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Post by George_W » 02 Dec 2014, 19:24

It's not Müller. He is also too old for Pütz and dosn't look like him for me.
Pütz and Müller to compare.

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Post by George_W » 03 Dec 2014, 17:57

I believe that the bald officer from the group photo is Liska. So our officer from Lublin in not Müller, Pütz nor Liska. I don't have any idea who is he.

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Post by huddyhuddy » 14 Aug 2018, 07:37

Hello,

Good morning.
Any thoughts about the issuing officer here?
Though a bit late, maybe staff originally belonged to Lublin?
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