Karl Heinz Cantow

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Could someone provide me a picure about Karl Heinz Cantow Commander of II./SS-Pz.Gr.Rgt. 35 (16. SS-Pz.Gren.Div.) wounded on July, 18th in Livorno?

Could someone helpme in undertandig which volume written by Mr.Yerger contains a description of this man?

Thank in advance

[PATRICK CHARRON]

Hello,

I found this on Cantow.
Source : « Im gleichen Schritt und Tritt » Truppenkameradschaft 16. SS-Pz.Gr.Div. "RFSS", Schild Verlag 1998

page 431
Am 19.7. wird es aber auch Gewissheit, dass Stubaf. CANTOW vermisst ist. Der Verteidiger von Livorno liegt verwundet in einem Krankenhaus von Livorno und wird dort von einem amerikanischen ‘’Sicherheitsoffizier’’ entdeckt. CANTOW verstirbt am 13.10.1944 in einem Krankenhaus in Neapel.

My own translation :
At 19.7 it is also certainty that Stubaf CANTOW is missing. The defender from Livorno lies wounded in a hospital of Livorno, where he was detected by an American ''security officer''. CANTOW died on 13.10.1944 in a hospital in Naples.

I haven’t seen a picture of him, but he is certainly in the group photo page 238 with Kommandeure und Abteilungsleiter April 1944.
That photo is also in the series "Dictionnaire de la Waffen SS" by Charle Trang

I have not found yet where one talk about him in the Mark Yerger’s series.

Regards

Patrick

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I don't have the book.
Do you mean this picture?

[PATRICK CHARRON]

Hello,

Yes, that's the picture !

Charles Trang has identified some of them but it misses a lot.

Regards
Patrick

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This is a little identification I found on the web.


But if Hstuf. (or Stuba. depending on the period the picture was taken) Cantow, as the commander of II/35, should be here and we don't know where, there should be even Hstuf. (or Stuba.) Dallinger, as a commander of I/35, that is in the following picture. Do you recognize him in the group picture? I cannot.

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Hullo everybody,
I would like to share with you some improvements I did in studying the group picture.
First of all I tried to give a date: Vizenz Kaiser was with 16 RFSS from March to June 1944 when he was transferred to the 17th SS Panzer Grenadier Division Götz von Berlichingen. Ekkerad Albert became Obersturmbannführer on June 26th, in the picture he his Sturmbannführer. So the picture was taken beetween March and June 26th 1944.
I counted how many Sturmbannführer are in the picture: 10 are certain (numbers from 1 to 10) plus 4 uncertain (numbers from 11 to 14).
I counted how many Sturmbannführer were supposed to be in 16 RFSS from March to June 1944 by comparing the data contained in the book "Im gleichen Schritt und Tritt” with the data contained in the site http://www.dws-xip.pl/reich/biografie/ that can give some interesting details.
I discovered they were 12 ( 4 uncertain)

Name SS number Promotion date
Dallinger Max 11966 20.04.1942
Walter Reder 58074 30.01.1944
Wichmann Kurt 61569 21.06.1943
Gottschalk Friedrich 107306 30.01.1941
Cantow Karl-Heinz 158286 09.11.1943
Schumacher Werner 174021 09.11.1943
Steinbeck Fritz 207731 21.06.1943
Lange Erwin 422202 21.06.1943
Barnet ? ?
Konrad Sigfried 258524 ?
Krauss Otto ? ?
Ekkehard Albert 139430 ?

Then I noticed that the Sturmbannführer nr 4 in the picture has the "Ehrenwinkel für alte Kämpfer" chevron on the right arm. It means he was in the SS before 30.01.1933 so he should have a very low “SS number”. Considering that Walter Reder join SS on 1934 and had number 58074 the possible options for number 4 are three: Dallinger Max, Barnet or Krauss Otto because about the last two I have no data so I cannot exclude them.

As far as I know Konrad Sigfried won the German Cross in Silver and he is treated in the "German Cross in Silver Holders of the SS and Police," pages 31-33 book by Yerger. Can anybody that own this book verify his face?

I hope you appreciate and remember that every help is highly appreciate.

[Georges JEROME]

in volume 3 of "Dictionnaire de la Waffen-SS" Charles Trang provides the following add ID :
# 3 Stubaf Erwin Lange
# 2 Stubaf Josef maier (3rd from left Hstuf Zientarski)
# 10 Stubaf Wilhelm Kment (1st right side : him with adjudant cords Hstuf Kurt Mayr)
# 7 Stubaf Dr Krauss
# 6 Stubaf Werner Schumacher

Georges

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I add the ID Georges suggested to me.
I understand that Hstuf Kurt Mayr is the one I Marked with "A" letter. Correct?
I don't understand who is Hstuf Zientarski. Letter "B","C","D" or "E"?

If #2 is Josep Maier the picture must have been taken beetween June 1st and June 21th 1944. On June Maier became a Sturmbannführer while Ekkerad Albert became Obersturmbannführer on June 21st (not 26th as I wrongly stated in the previous post).

About Wilhelm Kment:he should have lost a leg and won the GC in gold on January 24th, 1942 but I cannot see on his uniform.

Could you please send me a picture of the description on "Dictionnaire de la Waffen-SS" Charles Trang?

Thank you very much for the great help!!!

Ciao

[Georges JEROME]

Hello,

Hstuf Zientarski is between Maier and Reder.

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Thank you again for your help.
I update the picture:
1)I put the Zientarski name on the appropriate man
2) I discovered that Wilhelm Kment served in 16 RFSS so he could be the man #10 in the picture (http://soldaten.balsi.de/index.php?action=show&id=2069). Still a bit surprised he is not wearing his GC in gold
3) I discovered that real name of Stubaf. Barnet is Barnert. He served in the 16 RFSS and has the SS number 67025, higher than the Dallinger one so I think I can say #4 is Dallinger.

....so....Karl-Heinz Cantow is one among #1, #9, #11, #12, #13 or #14.......any hint?

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I hope today I did a little step ahead. I discovered that Friedrich Gottschalk had a trial and I find a picture at this page:
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/2 ... FC9B5.html
Unlikely it is very small and I’m not able to find a better one. Friedrich Gottschalk is sitting in the middle, the picture has been taken in 1960 that means 16 years later than the group picture.

Which one is, in your opinion, among #1, #9, #11, #12, #13 or #14?

Please give me your very appreciate help

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[PATRICK CHARRON]

Hello,

The Friedrich Gottschalk file said that he has the Ehrenwinkel (honour chevron).
I would suggest the Nr 4 as Friedrich Gottschalk (see Ehrenwinkel).
Dallinger at Nr 2 with his blond hair.

Patrick

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May be... where did you see Friedrich Gottschalk file ?

Nr 2 is not well placed....it intend to mark Maier. Do you suggest the man in front of Maier as Dallinger?

[PATRICK CHARRON]

I suggest Dallinger in place of Josef Maier.

[Doogman]

i think Karl-Heinz Cantow must be number 9