Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
hello !
can someone help me with additionals infos about him:
FORSTER, Karl Johann
son of Alexius and Josefine GOTTMANS
born.26.09.1913. in Rheydt
he headed SD in Perpignan (France) between 1942-1944.
Thanks in Advance
danyb
can someone help me with additionals infos about him:
FORSTER, Karl Johann
son of Alexius and Josefine GOTTMANS
born.26.09.1913. in Rheydt
he headed SD in Perpignan (France) between 1942-1944.
Thanks in Advance
danyb
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Karl Förster came from Stapo Karlsruhe
Oct 1943-Aug 1944, with SD Außenstelle Perpignan (KdS Montpellier)
Oct 1944, arrived Norway with Kommando z.b.V. 21 under Tanzmann; the unit became KdS Bergen
from May 1945, under arrest in Oslo until extradition to france (Oct 1946 at the earliest, probably in 1947)
This the same Karl Förster convicted by French Military Tribunal in Bordeaux on 3 April 1953 and sentenced to 12 years imprisonment?
Oct 1943-Aug 1944, with SD Außenstelle Perpignan (KdS Montpellier)
Oct 1944, arrived Norway with Kommando z.b.V. 21 under Tanzmann; the unit became KdS Bergen
from May 1945, under arrest in Oslo until extradition to france (Oct 1946 at the earliest, probably in 1947)
This the same Karl Förster convicted by French Military Tribunal in Bordeaux on 3 April 1953 and sentenced to 12 years imprisonment?
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Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
SS-Ostuf. Karl Forster led Grenzpolizei-kommissariat Perpignan on 6/44
Near the mountains areas (Alps and Pyrénées) Grenzpolizei offices replaced out offices/posts of the SIPO SD. (Grenzpolizei was a branch of the Gestapo).
(source: Peter Leib Konventioneller..... Kriegführung und Partisanenbekämpfung in Frankreich 1943 /1944)
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Georges
Near the mountains areas (Alps and Pyrénées) Grenzpolizei offices replaced out offices/posts of the SIPO SD. (Grenzpolizei was a branch of the Gestapo).
(source: Peter Leib Konventioneller..... Kriegführung und Partisanenbekämpfung in Frankreich 1943 /1944)
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Georges
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
hello !
Great Thanks Steve and Georges
yes , this is the Karl Forster who was on trial in Bordeaux.
here is 4 others members of SD Perpigan
what do you have about them ??
Walter Wiese
Born 22.01.1914 in Hamburg
Josef Saier
Born 05.08.1907 in Grumettstetten Amt Horp (Württemberg)
Herbert Hassler
Born 26.11.1902. in Aalen
Walter Eisemenger
Born 24.07.1905 in Tübingen
Thanks in Advance
danyb
Great Thanks Steve and Georges
yes , this is the Karl Forster who was on trial in Bordeaux.
here is 4 others members of SD Perpigan
what do you have about them ??
Walter Wiese
Born 22.01.1914 in Hamburg
Josef Saier
Born 05.08.1907 in Grumettstetten Amt Horp (Württemberg)
Herbert Hassler
Born 26.11.1902. in Aalen
Walter Eisemenger
Born 24.07.1905 in Tübingen
Thanks in Advance
danyb
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Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Walter Wiese was Leiter Grenzpolizeiposten at Prades (Pyrénées Orientales) Under KdS Montpellier.
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Geroges
You certain about the position of Wiese?
When he was arrested by the British after the war he claimed to be a Fernschreiber having served in this position at Stapo Lüneburg and RSHA before his posting to France. Like Förster he also went with Kommando zbV 21 to Norway and served until end of war with KdS Narvik again as Fernschreiber.
You certain about the position of Wiese?
When he was arrested by the British after the war he claimed to be a Fernschreiber having served in this position at Stapo Lüneburg and RSHA before his posting to France. Like Förster he also went with Kommando zbV 21 to Norway and served until end of war with KdS Narvik again as Fernschreiber.
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Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Hello Steve,
Mention don't come from a primary source :
Dominique Sigaud (les 175 maisons de la Gestapo en France) report that Walter Wiese was attached to Aussenstelle der SIPO SD Perpignan and went to Prades at an unkown date.
If I consider your previous post, like for Förster, he followed Tanzmann in Norway.
OoB SIPO SD France in Leib book list Prades as a Grenzpolizei out post. Therefore he was no more listed on june 44.
So I wrongly gave him a promotion : he was a member but not chief of outpost Prades.
thanks for clarification.
On the other hand, Hassler and SS-Ostuf (?) Einsenmenger appears on a US declassified doc list '"SIPO and SD Kommandos in France personnel and chief groups of agents" attached to Perpignan but without mention of position.
Georges
Mention don't come from a primary source :
Dominique Sigaud (les 175 maisons de la Gestapo en France) report that Walter Wiese was attached to Aussenstelle der SIPO SD Perpignan and went to Prades at an unkown date.
If I consider your previous post, like for Förster, he followed Tanzmann in Norway.
OoB SIPO SD France in Leib book list Prades as a Grenzpolizei out post. Therefore he was no more listed on june 44.
So I wrongly gave him a promotion : he was a member but not chief of outpost Prades.
thanks for clarification.
On the other hand, Hassler and SS-Ostuf (?) Einsenmenger appears on a US declassified doc list '"SIPO and SD Kommandos in France personnel and chief groups of agents" attached to Perpignan but without mention of position.
Georges
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Heribert/Robert Hassler
November 1942-March 1943, interrogator at KdS Dijon, SS-Ustuf.
March 1943-Aug 1944, at Greko Perpignan
Aug 1944-May 1945, Kommando zbV 21 to Norway, then KdS Narvik
extradited to France
Walter Eisenmenger
he was a SD-man and Sachbearbeiter, spoke Spanish and French
November 1942-May 1943, with Einsatzkommando Tunis/Ast Bizerta, SS-Ustuf.
4 Aug 1943, already at SD-Außenstelle Perpignan, SS-Ostuf. (decrypted radio message addressed to him)
Sept 1944, with Kommando zbV VI (under SS-Stubaf. Ernst) at Saint-Dié-des-Vosges. From Nov 1944 with SS-Jagdverband Süd-West as "Politruk" according to one source and his word!
No information on his fate.
When I have time - and can find the document - I will put up a list of Sipo-SD personnel who went to Norway with Tanzmann
November 1942-March 1943, interrogator at KdS Dijon, SS-Ustuf.
March 1943-Aug 1944, at Greko Perpignan
Aug 1944-May 1945, Kommando zbV 21 to Norway, then KdS Narvik
extradited to France
Walter Eisenmenger
he was a SD-man and Sachbearbeiter, spoke Spanish and French
November 1942-May 1943, with Einsatzkommando Tunis/Ast Bizerta, SS-Ustuf.
4 Aug 1943, already at SD-Außenstelle Perpignan, SS-Ostuf. (decrypted radio message addressed to him)
Sept 1944, with Kommando zbV VI (under SS-Stubaf. Ernst) at Saint-Dié-des-Vosges. From Nov 1944 with SS-Jagdverband Süd-West as "Politruk" according to one source and his word!
No information on his fate.
When I have time - and can find the document - I will put up a list of Sipo-SD personnel who went to Norway with Tanzmann
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Forgot to mention Josef Saier.
He was SS-Sturmscharführer so under "Angleichungen" must have been a Kriminalsekretär at least.
No information on his particular job, but he was at Perpignan and did go with Kommando zbV 21 to Norway and KdS Narvik.
He was SS-Sturmscharführer so under "Angleichungen" must have been a Kriminalsekretär at least.
No information on his particular job, but he was at Perpignan and did go with Kommando zbV 21 to Norway and KdS Narvik.
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
hello Steve
Thanks again for the informations.
do you know when Forster and Wiese were handed over the French ?
i think that Hassler was never in French custody.
only Forster, Wiese and Saier.
Thanks in Advance
danyb
Thanks again for the informations.
do you know when Forster and Wiese were handed over the French ?
i think that Hassler was never in French custody.
only Forster, Wiese and Saier.
Thanks in Advance
danyb
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Hallo,
Forster and Wiese are extradited 29/04/1947 .
Hassler in Britisch custody but not extradited.
Dylan.
Forster and Wiese are extradited 29/04/1947 .
Hassler in Britisch custody but not extradited.
Dylan.
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
dylan wrote:Hallo,
Forster and Wiese are extradited 29/04/1947 .
Hassler in Britisch custody but not extradited.
Dylan.
Merci cher Dylan.
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
danyb wrote:hello !
can someone help me with additionals infos about him:
FORSTER, Karl Johann
son of Alexius and Josefine GOTTMANS
born.26.09.1913. in Rheydt
he headed SD in Perpignan (France) between 1942-1944.
Thanks in Advance
danyb
it is the same man who was on German Trial on 1979 (Sipo Wileika) ??
Case Nr.851
Crime Category: Other Mass Extermination Crimes
Accused:
För., Johann Karl Acquittal
Has., Georg Johann 4 Years
Len., Josef No punishment imposed (§47 MStGB)
Court:
LG Bochum 790411
Country where the crime was committed: Ukraine, Belarus
Crime Location: Dolhinow, Ilja, Kurzeniec, Krzywice, Lebiedziew, Molodeczno, Radoszkowice, Wilejka, Wolozyn
Crime Date: 42
Victims: Jews
Nationality: Soviet
Agency: Police Sipo Wilejka
Subject of the proceeding: Shooting of several hundred Jews in a number of villages in Belarus
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danyb
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Hallo Danyb,
This man is born 5/09/1909 rank SS Hauptscharf.
other defendants: Georg Hasenkamp 16/05/1909 SS Sturmann and Josef Lengl also SS Sturmann and born 14/06/1907.
Best Dylan.
This man is born 5/09/1909 rank SS Hauptscharf.
other defendants: Georg Hasenkamp 16/05/1909 SS Sturmann and Josef Lengl also SS Sturmann and born 14/06/1907.
Best Dylan.
Re: Karl Forster (SD Perpignan)
Karl Förster
SS #416113
on 15.08.1942 Kriminalkommissar (Stapoleitstelle Karlsruhe)
on 30.01.1943 SS-Obersturmführer (assigned to IdS Stuttgart)
Regards Puck
SS #416113
on 15.08.1942 Kriminalkommissar (Stapoleitstelle Karlsruhe)
on 30.01.1943 SS-Obersturmführer (assigned to IdS Stuttgart)
Regards Puck