Die Karstjäger - List of soldiers

K.Kocjancic · #1

I'm starting a new list, dedicated to soldiers (from CO of unit to lowest Jager) of Karstjäger Kmp., Btl., Brig. and Div..

If you know any or/and have any further data, please post-it here.

TIA;
Kocjo
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Previous threads on Karstjäger:
24th Waffen SS Karstjager
Karstjäger

Previous threads on Karstjäger soldiers:
SS-Obersturmfuhrer Erich Kuhbandner
standartenfuhrer karl marx
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Lineage:
SS-Karstwehr-Kompanie (late summer '42 - 11/42)
SS-Karstwehr-Btl. (11/42 - 8/44)
24. Waffen-Gebirgs-(Karstjäger-)Division der SS (ordered to form 18.7.'44 - order disgraded on 5.12.'44 to Brigade level)
SS-Karstjäger-Brig. (8/44 - 2/45)
24. Waffen-Gebirgs-(Karstjäger-)Division der SS (2/45 - 4/45)

SS-Karstwehr-Btl.
CO:
- SS-Staf. Dr.Ing. Hans Brand (Summer 1942 - 6/44)
- SS-Stubaf. Josef Berschneider (6/44 - 8/44)

Ib:
- SS-Stubaf. Erich Wieland

IIa:
- (?) Karl Weiland

1. Kmp.:
CO:
- SS-Hstuf. Mehrwald

2. Kmp.:
CO:
- SS-Stubaf. Kuhpantner

3. Kmp.:
CO:
- SS-Stubaf. Josef Berschneider

Nachschub-Kmp.:
CO:
- SS-Ustuf. Flake

Soldiers (unknown sub-unit):
- SS-Unterscharführer Albert Horeth (CO of patrol; KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- SS-Sturmmann Heinrich Albert (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- SS-Uscha. Julius Benz (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- SS-Sturmmann Ernst Bormann (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- (?) Andreas Dorfler (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- (?) Franz Meierhofer (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- SS-Oberschütze Werner Messinger (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- (?) Stefan Gubansk (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- SS-Uscha. Gerhard Hirsch (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- SS-Sturmmann Hans Krellner (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- SS-Uscha. Mathias Kirmaier (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- (?) Mustafa Muratovich (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- SS-Jäger Hans Ramsauer (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- SS-Uscha. Herbert Schmidt (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- (?) Hans Schoger (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- (?) Willi (Wilhelm) Tellman (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*
- (?) Anton Skvarča (Suščev iz Šebrelj)**
- (?) Franc Tušar (Draga pri Šebreljah)**
- (?) Tone Rjavec (Črna mlaka)**
- (?) Josip Rjavec (Črna mlaka)**

* All were KIA while patrolling on 19.2.'44. For more info click here.
** unconfirmed members of Karstjäger. Probably they were just guides/scouts for them, but reports stated that they were dressed in uniforms.
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24. Waffen-Gebirgs-(Karstjäger-)Division der SS
CO:
- SS-Obersturmbannführer Karl Marx (? Aug 1944 - 5 Dec 1944)
- SS-Sturmbannführer Werner Hahn (5 Dec 1944 - 10 Feb 1945)
- SS-Oberführer Adolf Wagner (10 Feb 1945 - 8 May 1945)

Quartermaster:
- SS-Hstuf. Norbert Engel (1.8.1944 - ?)

Waffen-Geb.(Karst)Jg.Rgt.-SS Nr. 1 (59):
a) 5. Kmp./II.Btl. (Spanish-Kmp.):
CO:
- W-Ustuf. José Ortiz Fernández (12/44 - 5/45)

Members:
- W-Ustuf. Trapaga
- Antonio Pardo
- Federico Martínez

b) III./Waffen-Geb.(Karst)Jg.Rgt.-SS Nr. 1 (59):
CO:
- SS-Ostuf. Erich Kühbandner (11/44)

c) Panzer-Kmp.:
CO:
- SS-Ustuf. Behrend

Zug-Führer:
- SS-Oscha. Cavagna
- SS-Uscha. Dufke
- SS-Uscha. Walter

d) Ers.Kmp.:- SS-Ustuf. Leo Schnödl
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So far there are 42 names on the list, from them 8 are incomplete and 6 are unconfirmed.

Tom Houlihan · #2

I'd be careful about all those names on a thread like this. For my research, I had a list of just the officers from NORD. In small type, it was still 16 pages long!

K.Kocjancic · #3

Tom wrote:I'd be careful about all those names on a thread like this. For my research, I had a list of just the officers from NORD. In small type, it was still 16 pages long!

Karstjäger Brigade had about 3000 + men. And I don't think that I'll be able to get all.

c.g. · #4

A bit off-topic, but I hope useful. A list of engagements of the Karstjäger units taken from the Verlustlisten of the Deutsche Dienststelle.

SS-Karstwehr-Btl.
nach: Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt), Berlin

DATUM ORT VERLUST KOMP
09.09.43 Camporosso (Seifnitz) 3 X Vw Stabs-Kp.
09.09.43 Tarvis über 50 X Vw 1., 2., 3., 4.
09.09.43 Ugovizza, Goccau 13 x Verluste 2., 4., St.Kp.
19.09.43 Flitsch 1 x Vw Stabs-Kp.
21.09.43 Flitscher Klause 1 x Vw 3.
25.09.43 Porzia ? 3 x Vw 1., 3.
20.09.43 Pontebba 1 x Vw 2.
26.09.43 Pontebba 1 x Vw 2.
06.10.43 Saga 15 x Vw 1., 3.
06.10.43 Oltresonzia 1 x Vw 3.
06.10.43 Flitsch 1 x T 4.
10.10.43 zwischen Predilpass und Oberbreth 2 x Vw 1.
11.10.43 Oberbreth 1 x Vw 4.
06.11.43 Propodnizza 1 x Vw 3.
09.11.43 Monte Maggiore 1 x T 1 X Vw 2.
26.12.43 Biglia, S Görz 15 x Vermißt, 4 X Vw auf einer Fahrt mit Lkw von Banditen überfallen 15 X Vermißt, 4 X Vw St.Kp., 2., 4.
13.01.44 Billa 1 x Vermißt 4.
27.01.44 Slappe 3 x Vw 3., 4.
01.02.44 Collor ? (Görz) 1 x Vw 1.
10.02.44 Montespino 2 x Vw 3.
18.02.44 Stregna 2 x T, 2 x Vw 1.
19.02.44 Dolmen 4.; Crai 3., Vogrinchi (Vigrunchi) 4., Idresca Tolmein 3., Stregna 1., S.Lucia 2., Prapotnizza 3. 42 Verluste 1., 2., 3., 4.
10.03.44 Gradisca 1 x T
11.04.44 Rudani 1 x Vw 2.
21.04.44 Triest 1 x Vw 2.
24.06.44 Paluzza (Carnia) 1 x Vw Stabs-Kp.
24.06.44 Arta (Carnia) 3 x Vw 2.
26.06.44 Gradisca 1 x T (Unfall) 2.
15.07.44 Paluzza (Carnia) 7 x Vw 1.
19.07.44 Amaro (Carnia) 1 x Vw 2.
20.07.44 Ampezzo (Carnia) 1 x T, 6 x Vw 2., 4.
02.07.44 Görz 1 x T (Tuberkolose) 1.
22.07.44 Udine 1 x T 1.
07.08.44 Tolmezzo (Carnia) 3 x T, 4 x Vw 2.
10.08.44 Villa Santina 1., 2. 4., Tolmezzo 4., Esemon 1., (Carnia) 10 x Vw 1., 2., 4.
25.08.44 Gradisca, Guriace 6 x Vw St.Kp., 1.
03.09.44 Tolmezzo 1 x Vw 3.
08.10.44 Gradisca 1 x T Pion.Kp.
20.10.44 Francisko ?, Tolmezzo 2 x Vw St.Kp. II. Btl., 3.
30.08.44 Romanz 1 x Vw Pion.Kp.

K.Kocjancic · #5

Thanks a lot!

Regards,
Kocjo

[List has been updated.]

K.Kocjancic · #6

HAHN, Werner
(1901 - 1982)
SS-Sturmbannführer:

Born: 2. Oct. 1901 in Krischow.

Died: 12. Jul. 1982.

NSDAP-Nr.: 850 466 (Joined, 20. Oct. 1931)/SS-Nr.: 23 546 (Joined, 20. Oct. 1931)

Promotions:
SS-Stubaf. (W-SS): 9. Nov. 1943; SS-Stubaf.: 10. Sep. 1939; SS-HStuf.: 12. Sep. 1937; SS-OStuf.: 20. Apr. 1935; SS-UStuf.: 26. Apr. 1934;

Assignments:
Kdr. Waffen-Gebirgs-(Karstjäger) Brigade der SS: 5. Dec. 1944-Feb. 1945.
Kdr. Aufstellungsstab (Formation Staff), 24.Waffen-Gebirgs-(Karstjäger) Division der SS (downgraded to Brigade status, 5. Dec. 1944): 15. Aug. 1944-5. Dec. 1944.
Kdr. SS-Gebirgs-Jäger-Ausbildungs- und Ersatz Bataill 6 (Hallein): 17. Apr. 1943-15. Aug. 1944.
Entered Waffen-SS as SS-HStuf.d.R.: 21. Feb. 1943 (assigned to SS-Gebirgs-Jäger Schule: 21. Feb. 1943-Apr. 1943; also briefly assigned as deputy, Insp. Waffen-SS Gebirgstruppen, SS-Führungshauptamt). Führer, III./72.SS-Standarte (Detmold/Lippe): Dec. 1937-27. Feb. 1943).

Army Service:

Decorations & Awards:
1939 EK I (5. Sep. 1940);
1939 Spange zum 1914 EK II (1939);
1914 EK II (1919);
KVK II ohne Schw.;
Verwundetenabzeichen,
1939 in Silber;
Infanterie-Sturmabzeichen in Silber (1. Oct. 1941);
Baltik Kreuz;
SA-Sportabzeichen in Silber;
Dienstauszeichnung der NSDAP in Bronze;
SS-Dienstauszeichnungen;
Totenkopfring der SS.

http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/SS-PO ... f_G-I.html

K.Kocjancic · #7

BERSCHNEIDER, Josef
(1902 - )
SS-Sturmbannführer / SS-Sturmbannführer d.R. (W-SS):

Born: 29. 11. 1902

Died:

NSDAP-Nr.: 1 241 124/SS-Nr.: 32 336

Promotions:
SS-Stubaf./SS-Stubaf. d.R.: 21.06.44; SS-Hstuf.: ; SS-Ostuf.: 9. Nov. 1935; SS-Utuf.: 9.11.34;

Assignments:
Kdr. Waffen-Grenadier-Brigade der SS (Karstjäger)": 03.1945 - (Unconfirmed assignment)
Kdr. SS-Karstwehr-Bataillon/II.SS-Panzer-Korps: (1.07.1944)
Chef, 2./Geb.JR. 59: 12.1943
5./Inf.Rgt. 6 (?): 07.1941 -
1.SS-Standarte (München): (1.12.1937) - (1.10.1944)
1./SS-Standarte "Deutschland": 06.1936 -

Decorations & Awards:
1939 EK II; KVK II m. Schw.;
[Infanterie?]-Sturmabzeichen;
Reichssportabzeichen in Silber;
SA-Sportabzeichen in Bronze;
Ehrendegen des RF-SS/Totenkopfring der SS

http://www.geocities.com/~orion47/SS-PO ... f_A-C.html

K.Kocjancic · #8

If you have any photos from:
- SS-Staf. Dr.Ing. Hans Brand,
- SS-Stubaf. Josef Berschneider,
- SS-Obersturmbannführer Karl Marx,
- SS-Sturmbannführer Werner Hahn,
- SS-Oberführer Adolf Wagner,

and you could post them here, I would be very gratefull.

Regards,
Kocjo

[List has been updated.]

c.g. · #9

Dear friends,
I have checked the official Karstjäger records, the Verlustmeldungen-Lists from February 1944 and I have found the following data in regard to SS-Men killed in action around February 19th 1944. Please not that some of the men listed below were killed on the 18th. I took the names from Kocjo list, corrected a few mistakes (Dorfler, Meierhofer, Gubansk), added the ranks that were missing, the place of death and the cause of death. There is no trace of Horeth and Muratovich in the lists, from which I infer that the two men didn’t die or were missed in February 1944.
We have 3 MIA and 13 KIA from 3 different Coys of the Karstwehr-Batallion on two different days and in 3 different places. The causes of death seems to me ordinary. In the records there is no trace of torture, beheadings and so on. However the 2 MIA were obviously killed, but the details are not recorded in my files. I think this hardly support the thesis of a war crime perpetrated by partisans against those men.
The only victims of this war crime could anyway be only the 3 MIA. The Red Cross in Munich or the Deutsche Dienststelle could be able to provide the details.
Best
C.G.
SS-Sturmmann Heinrich Albert (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* 3. Kp., Crai/Italien, Herzschuss, Infanterie-Geschoß
SS-Uscha. Julius Benz (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* 3. Kp., Crai/Italien, Herzschuss, Infanterie-Geschoß
SS-Sturmmann Ernst Bormann (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*, 3. Kp., Crai/Italien, Auf dem Rückmarsch vermisst.
(SS-Strm.) Andreas Dörfler (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*, 4. Kp., Dolmen/Italien, Bauchschuss
(SS-Uscha.) Franz Maierhofer (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* , 1. Kp., Stregna/Ital., Rückgrat-Schuss, Infanterie-Geschoß
SS-Oberschütze Werner Messinger (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* , 4. Kp., Vigrunchi/Italien, Auf dem Rückmarsch vermisst
(SS-Rottf.) Stefan Gubanski (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* , 4. Kp., Vogrinchi/Italien, Zertrümmerung der Schädeldecke
SS-Uscha. Gerhard Hirsch (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*, 3. Kp., Crai/Italien, Herzschuss, Infanterie-Geschoß
SS-Sturmmann Hans Krellner (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* , 1. Kp., Stregna/Ital., Kopfschuss, Infanterie-Geschoß
SS-Uscha. Mathias Kirmaier (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* 3. Kp., Crai/Italien, Herzschuss, Infanterie-Geschoß
SS-Jäger Hans Ramsauer (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* 3. Kp., Crai/Italien, Auf dem Rückmarsch vermisst.
SS-Uscha. Herbert Schmidt (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)*, 1. Kp., Stregna/Italien, 18.02.1944, Herzschuss, Infanterie-Geschoß
(SS-Jg.) Hans Schoger (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* )* , 3. Kp., Propadnizza, Kopfschuß, Infanterie-Geschoß
(SS-Strm.) Wilhelm Thellman (KIA 19.2.'44 by partisans)* , 3. Kp., Propadnizza, Zertrümmerung der Schädeldecke

K.Kocjancic · #10

Thanks a lot!

New info.

Regards,
Kocjo

K.Kocjancic · #11

[List has been updated.]

Andreas Schulz · #12

Kocjo wrote:

24. Waffen-Gebirgs-(Karstjäger-)Division der SS
CO:
- SS-Obersturmbannführer Karl Marx (? Aug 1944 - 5 Dec 1944)
- SS-Sturmbannführer Werner Hahn (5 Dec 1944 - 10 Feb 1945)
- SS-Oberführer Adolf Wagner (10 Feb 1945 - 8 May 1945)

.

Hi Kocjo,

who is SS-Oberführer Adolf Wagner? I don´t know this man.

AnDie

K.Kocjancic · #13

AnDie wrote:
Kocjo wrote:

24. Waffen-Gebirgs-(Karstjäger-)Division der SS
CO:
- SS-Obersturmbannführer Karl Marx (? Aug 1944 - 5 Dec 1944)
- SS-Sturmbannführer Werner Hahn (5 Dec 1944 - 10 Feb 1945)
- SS-Oberführer Adolf Wagner (10 Feb 1945 - 8 May 1945)

.
Hi Kocjo,

who is SS-Oberführer Adolf Wagner? I don´t know this man.

AnDie

Sorry, I don't have any info on this man also.

Regards,
Kocjo

Andreas Schulz · #14

I can not find a Adolf Wagner in the DAL from 09.11.1944.

But in this time (10.02.1945 - 06.05.1945) SS-Brif. Jürgen Wagner was Kommandeur der 23. SS-Freiwilligen-Panzer-Grenadier-Division ”Nederland”.

AnDie

Georg_S · #15

Hi Kojco!

I have found a photo of and SS-Stubaf Braun in the book:

Gebirgsjäger im Bild "6.SS-Gebirgsdivision Nord 1940 - 1945
Is it possibly that it´s the same Braun you have listed??

Best regards,

Georg

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