Which version of the SS/3rd Reich do you believe?

[MKSheppard]

The Order of the Death's Head by HEINZ HÖHNE paints the SS as
only one group amongst many battling amongst themselves
in the Nazi hiearchy for power, and makes the exposition
that Heydrich knew nothing about Krystallnacht, being
caught unawares when a Synagogue went up in flames
down the street from his hotel. It also says that Krystallnacht
was the work of Josef Goebbels and a clique of old fighters,
not Heydrich's SD, along with painting the Fritisch affair
as a sequence of errors that worked to Hitler's advantage.

Reinhard Heydrich by Edguard Calic, paints the SS,
in particular, Heydrich's SD service as a near-omnipotent
secret service, completely masterminding the von Fritisch
affair, and also the 1938 Beer Hall Bomb Attempt on
Hitler's life, and also that Heydrich had planned
Krystallnacht.

Which do you believe?

I believe that Heydrich had NOTHING to do with the 1938
Assassination attempt on Hitler with the bomb, as there
was no way the SD would have put their Führer in danger
from a malfunctioning bomb.

[Oswald Mosley]

Personally, I agree with Hoess. Crystal Night was definitely the work of Josef Goebbels, Heydrich had nothing to do with it.

[Helly Angel]

Sorry... I have a doubt: Do you refer about HEINZ HÖHNE?

I have the book: "The Order of..." but by for HÖHNE:

It is a Old book but very very serious and respectfully book.

Is this?

[Indra Ross]

I have to disagree, I think 'Crystal Night' was organized by Heydrich on advise from Gobbels. Heydrich sent instruction to police headquarters to organize riots, burn synagogues and arrest Jews.
From my recollection Goring was behind the Fritsch affair, but the fatal dossier was given to him by Himmler and Heydrich. He could not pass up the opportunity to rid himself of a most un-coperative 'Commander in Chief'.

Thanks Indra

[Takao]

I have the one by Heinz Höhne too, it was translated by Richard Barry, and was also wondering if they are the same. It has been a while since I read the book and I thought it was very good and would highly recommend it. AFAIK the book was reprinted in 2001

[MKSheppard]

Sorry... I have a doubt: Do you refer about HEINZ HÖHNE?

I have the book: "The Order of..." but by for HÖHNE:

It is a Old book but very very serious and respectfully book.

Is this?

Yep, that's it.

[Helly Angel]

SECRET!
Copy of Most Urgent telegram from Munich on November 10, 1938, 1:20 a.m.

To all

Headquarters and Stations of the State (Political) Police


To all

Local and Regional Offices of the Security Service (SD)

Urgent! For immediate attention of Chief and his deputy!

Re: Measures Against the Jews Tonight.

Because of the assassination of Legation Secretary vom Rath in Paris, demonstrations throughout the Reich are to be expected tonight -- November 9 to 10, 1938. The following orders are issued for dealing with these occurances.

1) Upon receipt of this telegram, the chiefs of the political police [Gestapo] stations or their deputies must immediately contact the appropriate political authorities for their district [the local Nazi Party leaders]... by telephone to arrange a discussion about the conduct of the demonstrations. This discussion should include the competent Inspector or Commander of the Order Police....

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[The local] political authorities are to be informed that the German police have received from the Reichsfuehrer SS and the Chief of the German police the following orders to which the actions of the political authorities should be correspondingly adjusted:

a) Only such actions may be carried out which do not threaten German lives or property (e.g., burning of synagogues only when there is no threat of fire to the surroundings).

b) Stores and residences of Jews may only be destroyed but not looted. The police are instructed to supervise compliance with this order and to arrest looters.

c) Special care is to be taken on commercial streets that non-Jewish businesses are completely secured against damage.

d) Foreign citizens, even if they are Jewish, may not be molested.

2) ... demonstrations in progress should not be prevented by the police but only supervised for compliance with the guidelines.

3) ... existing archival material is to be impounded by the police in all synagogues and offices of the Jewish community centers to prevent its destruction in the course of the demonstrations.... [This material] is to be turned over to the... offices of the SD.

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page #3 4) The direction of Security Police [both political and criminal divisions] operations relating to the anti-Jewish demonstrations resides with Political Police authorities except when orders are issued by Security Police inspectors. Officials from the Criminal Police as well as members of the Security Service (SD), of the SS para-military units, and of the general SS may be called upon to carry out Security Police operations.

5) As soon as the course of events during this night allows the assigned police officers to be used for this purpose, as many Jews -- particularly affluent Jews -- are to be arrested in all districts as can be accomodated in existing detention facilities. For the time being, only healthy male Jews, whose age is not too advanced, are to be arrested. Immediately after the arrests have been carried out, the appropriate concentration camps should be contacted to place the Jews into camps as quickly as possible. Special care should be taken that Jews arrested on the basis of this instruction are not mistreated.

6) The contents of this order are to be passed on to the competent Inspectors and Commanders of the Order Police and to regional and local sectors of the SD....

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The chief of the Order Police has issued the corresponding instructions to the Order Police including the fire brigades. Close coordination is to be maintained between the Security Police and the Order Police during the implementation of the ordered actions…

signed: [Reinhard] Heydrich

SS-Gruppenfuehrer

[SS-Major General, Nazi Chief of Security Police]

[3051 PS]

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Source: National Archives, Washington DC





Any doubts????

[Indra Ross]

That was great work. I had never seen a copy of the actual order. I guess we in agreement.

Indra

[MKSheppard]

http://www.joric.com/Conspiracy/Elser.htm
Source to Munich 1939 Attempt on Hitler

Reinhard Heydrich by Edguard Calic, paints the
picture that Heydrich was behind the Munich 1939
assassination attempt on Hitler, planting the bomb
with SD agents, and turning Elser into a dupe.

Personally, I think while the Nazis didn't give a damn
about the "OLD GUARD", they would have never done
that with der Führer.

(possibility of fuckup and the bomb going off
several minutes early, killing Hitler.)

Also, Calic says that that Jew who shot and killed
Legation Secretary vom Rath in Paris prior to
Krystallnacht was slowly led into the act by the SD,
who told him to do it through gentle nudges.

That's a load of crap. Höhn tells us that the kid's
FATHER had been deported from the Reich, being
forced across the German border with Poland into
Polish MG nests at bayonet point by German soldiers.

I'd say that is enough justification for a kid to shoot
and kill a German diplomat on the streets of Paris,
SD intervention or not.

[MadJim]

any document coming from the United States holacaust memorial is suspect to me. sorry