Can anyone give me any details about this man please?
On the reverse of the photo is typed "Ackermann (Gestapo) wanted for murder".
The photo came from Andrew Mollo and was used in one of his "Uniforms of the SS" series.
Thanks,
Max.
Gestapo Ackermann
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Max Williams
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The only Ackermann I have ever come across is
HEINRICH ACKERMANN
end 1942 with Stapo Regensburg when promoted KriminalObAssistent
"z.Zt" on Wehrdienst or foreign Einsatz
BBL 57/42
If the collar patch indicates SS-Oschaf then the photo might have been
taken around this time, as newly promoted KOAs were usually this rank;
if the collar patch is that of SS-Sturmscharführer, Ackermann would need to have been promoted Kriminalsekretär making the photo dated 1945-ish.
HEINRICH ACKERMANN
end 1942 with Stapo Regensburg when promoted KriminalObAssistent
"z.Zt" on Wehrdienst or foreign Einsatz
BBL 57/42
If the collar patch indicates SS-Oschaf then the photo might have been
taken around this time, as newly promoted KOAs were usually this rank;
if the collar patch is that of SS-Sturmscharführer, Ackermann would need to have been promoted Kriminalsekretär making the photo dated 1945-ish.
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Max Williams
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Helly Angel
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Badges,
If I´m not wrong...
1) Ribbon of "War Merit Cross 2nd Class" (Kriegsverdienst Kreuz) the majority of the Personal who were relationed to the "Final Solution" received these Badges, for Example Eichmann, Günther brothers, etc.
2) "SA Military Sports Badge" (SA-Wehrabzeichen)
3) German National Badge for Physical Training in Silver (Deutsches Reichsabzeichen für Leibesübungen)... ???
If I´m not wrong...
1) Ribbon of "War Merit Cross 2nd Class" (Kriegsverdienst Kreuz) the majority of the Personal who were relationed to the "Final Solution" received these Badges, for Example Eichmann, Günther brothers, etc.
2) "SA Military Sports Badge" (SA-Wehrabzeichen)
3) German National Badge for Physical Training in Silver (Deutsches Reichsabzeichen für Leibesübungen)... ???
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Wilfried Abenaschon
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Well his Unfiorm is the Standard Gestapo (under the RSHA) Tunic m37/38 with open collar.There were no specific Gestapo uniforms, they wore the SD Tunic.
The SD wore SS-Collartabs but instead of runes it was blank.
The Shoulderboards with Waffenfarbe gruen were Police, and therefore its a combination of SS/and Police Uniform.
But you are right, his Cap should have an black strap and not an silver officer one.
The SD wore SS-Collartabs but instead of runes it was blank.
The Shoulderboards with Waffenfarbe gruen were Police, and therefore its a combination of SS/and Police Uniform.
But you are right, his Cap should have an black strap and not an silver officer one.
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Kunnar Kesküla
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Hi Doggowitz!Doggowitz wrote:Well his Unfiorm is the Standard Gestapo (under the RSHA) Tunic m37/38 with open collar.There were no specific Gestapo uniforms, they wore the SD Tunic.
The SD wore SS-Collartabs but instead of runes it was blank.
The Shoulderboards with Waffenfarbe gruen were Police, and therefore its a combination of SS/and Police Uniform.
But you are right, his Cap should have an black strap and not an silver officer one.
But do you know or can explain why they were wearing "combination of SS/and Police uniform"? At least in Estonia officials of gestapo and Kripo were wearing usual SS shoulderboards. Was there some rules or situations in which they wear combined insignia?
Regards
Kunnar
It was fairly common for Gestapo and Kripo NCOs sent on "auswärtigen Einsatz" wearing field-grey SD tunics to have shoulder boards showing
their police (i.e. civil service) ranks.
I would not be at all surprised to learn that Ackermann transferred from the Kripo into the Gestapo.
When the Einsatzgruppen for Russia were being assembled in the
Pretzsch area, many of the Kripo and Gestapo NCOs added police
shoulderboards to their new SD tunics. Not all, but many of them.
their police (i.e. civil service) ranks.
I would not be at all surprised to learn that Ackermann transferred from the Kripo into the Gestapo.
When the Einsatzgruppen for Russia were being assembled in the
Pretzsch area, many of the Kripo and Gestapo NCOs added police
shoulderboards to their new SD tunics. Not all, but many of them.
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According to Andrew Mollo's excellent book "Volume 5 - Sicherheitsdienst und Sicherheitspolizei" from the series "Uniforms of the SS", that despite the introduction of branch service colours (Waffenfarben) members of the Security Police and SD appear to continued to wear white instead of police green piping.
This was possibly due to the rather vague status of the SD as a branch of the General SS, whose standard piping colour was white. With the introduction of police pattern shoulder straps in January 1942, N.C.O's with the rank of SS-Sturmscharführer in the Security Police and SD were allowed to wear officer's caps, with black velvet cap band and aluminium chin chord.
At first members of the SD and Sipo wore the same badges of rank on the collar and shoulder as members of the General SS, but with the introduction of the field grey they began to wear army pattern shoulder straps which had already been adopted by the SS-Verfügungstruppe.
In August 1941 SD and Sipo members were reminded that they could only wear army/Waffen-SS shoulder straps if they had police green piping.
To prevent members of the SD and Sipo from being mistaken for members of the Waffen-SS, police pattern shoulder straps were introduced in January 1942, for N.C.O.'s and men, while at the same time the wearing of N.C.O.'s braid on the collar and arm chevrons were forbidden.
Regards,
Peter
This was possibly due to the rather vague status of the SD as a branch of the General SS, whose standard piping colour was white. With the introduction of police pattern shoulder straps in January 1942, N.C.O's with the rank of SS-Sturmscharführer in the Security Police and SD were allowed to wear officer's caps, with black velvet cap band and aluminium chin chord.
At first members of the SD and Sipo wore the same badges of rank on the collar and shoulder as members of the General SS, but with the introduction of the field grey they began to wear army pattern shoulder straps which had already been adopted by the SS-Verfügungstruppe.
In August 1941 SD and Sipo members were reminded that they could only wear army/Waffen-SS shoulder straps if they had police green piping.
To prevent members of the SD and Sipo from being mistaken for members of the Waffen-SS, police pattern shoulder straps were introduced in January 1942, for N.C.O.'s and men, while at the same time the wearing of N.C.O.'s braid on the collar and arm chevrons were forbidden.
Regards,
Peter
Andrew was correct with the date of the order of the Ch.d.SIPO.u.SD. in January 1942. However he failed to point out that the order was to take effect March 1, 1942. This dated order included the police style shouder boards of the SD NCOs as well as the elimination of shoulder chevrons and Spieß piping. In addition, the senior NCOs of SS-Sturmscharff. rank like Ackermann were permitted to wear an SS officer visor cap with black velvet band and aluminum cord.
Max, you know Andrew listed this photo as from the Dodkins collection. Perhaps that is where the notation originated and might provide some direction for you?
Max, you know Andrew listed this photo as from the Dodkins collection. Perhaps that is where the notation originated and might provide some direction for you?