Oberstgruppenführer. Only Dietrich and Hausser?

[panzertruppe2001]

I note (or at less I know) that Joseph Dietrich and Paul Hausser were the only members of the SS that were Oberstgruppenführer. As far as I know Reinhard Heydrich was Obergruppenführer, a lower rank.

Were there other SS men that were Oberstgruppenführer


Thanks


Panzertruppe2001

[Max Williams]

Franz Xaver Schwarz and Kurt Daluege.
Max.

[panzertruppe2001]

Thanks Max. Could you tell me the duties of these men? I am not sure but I think Kurt Daleuge was chief of the Orpo.

Thanks for the answer

Panzertruppe2001

[Boby]

Schwarz was a Ehrenführer.

Best Regards

[Dieter Zinke]

The correct (official) manner of writing should be:
Oberst-Gruppenführer (with separation) !!

Dieter

[Georges JEROME]

The term "ehrenführer" is right but unemployed in 40's.

membership in SS was :
1 hauptamtilch (full time paid)
2 nebenamtlich (part time)
3 ehrenamtlich (honorary and unpaid).

Dietrich and Hausser were 1

Daluege was civil servant (Chiel of Orpo with rank of Generaloberst der polizei)
Schwarz was party official (Treasurer of the NSDAP with rank of Reichsleiter)
they didn't held position in SS as SS Oberst Gruppenführer

JG

[Max Williams]

Daluege was civil servant (Chiel of Orpo with rank of Generaloberst der polizei)
Schwarz was party official (Treasurer of the NSDAP with rank of Reichsleiter)
they didn't held position in SS as SS Oberst Gruppenführer

JG

Sorry, but you are wrong. They were both SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer. See Dienstaltersliste der Schutzstaffel der NSDAP, 9 November 1944.
Max.

[panzertruppe2001]

Very interesting and clear answers. Thanks Max for the document

Panzertruppe2001

[Andreas Schulz]

For all:

for more infos look in the very good book "The SS Leadership Corps" by Max.

AnDie

[Georges JEROME]

Max,

I must agree for Daluege, NS Jahrbuch 1942 list under Reichsführer SS Reichsleiter Heinrich Himmler the following offices

- Personlicher Stab
- SS FHA
- Kdoamt der Allgemeine SS
- SS Hauptamt
- RuSHA
- SS PHA
- SS Erziehungshauptamt (Heissmeyer)
- Reichsicherheitshauptamt
- Hauptamt Orpo
- Hauptamt Haushalt u Boten + Hauptamt Verwaltung u Wirtschaft (Pohl)
- HA SS Gericht
- Zeitung "Das Schwarze Korps"

I notice no reference to RKFDV and VOMI

Question : Has Daluege wages from SS or only from Reich (Chef der Orpo) ?
Question : in RSHA only SD offices has paid SS leaders ?

best

Georges

[Georges JEROME]

Max,

when I wrote position in SS I mean SS office.
Of course they were SS Oberst-Gruppenführer.

JG

[Panzermahn]

Hi guys,

isn't Karl Wolff another SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer?

[VJK]

Hi Panzermahn!

Wolff and Prützmann both have been referred to as Oberst-Gruppenführer in various sources, but there is no documentary evidence to back up these statements.

Regards,

VJK

[Max Williams]

The correct (official) manner of writing should be:
Oberst-Gruppenführer (with separation) !!

Dieter

Dieter,
A quick question ... on the 1942 Hitler signed promotion document for Franz Xaver Schwarz, there is no hyphen; it is typed as one word "Oberstgruppenführer" (see p94 of my book "SS Leadership Corps"). Are there any particular circumstances when a hyphen is used or not used please?
Thanks,
Max.

[Dieter Zinke]

The correct (official) manner of writing should be:
Oberst-Gruppenführer (with separation) !!

Dieter

Dieter,
A quick question ... on the 1942 Hitler signed promotion document for Franz Xaver Schwarz, there is no hyphen; it is typed as one word "Oberstgruppenführer" (see p94 of my book "SS Leadership Corps"). Are there any particular circumstances when a hyphen is used or not used please?
Thanks,
Max.

Max,

Der Titel OBERST-GRUPPENFÜHRER wurde am 07.04.1942 (für Franz Xaver Schwarz) eingeführt und sollte zur Unterscheidung vom Obergruppenführer mit Bindestrich geschrieben werden (Verordnungsblatt der Waffen-SS, 3. Jg,, Berlin 15. 6.42, Nr. 12, Z. 192), was in der Praxis kaum befolgt wurde.
The denotation "Oberst-Gruppenführer" (with hyphen) was introduced for distinguishing against the already existing Obergruppenführer. This direction was of value for all cases, but in reality it was hardly noticed.

Dieter