Flossenbürg-Trial

[Michal78]

It is Karl Künstler.
Michal

[coburg22]

Hello Michael,

Thank you for the identification.

Best,

James

[bogo]

Hello Max and Michal,
Apparently your opinions re picture no. 12 differ.
Maybe (one of) you could say what's about the back of his/your identification of picture 12 (not) being Künstler?
Thank you and
best wishes,
Bogo

[bogo]

Hello Max and Michal,
Apparently your opinions re picture no. 12 differ.
Maybe (one of) you could say what's about the back of his/your identification of picture 12 (not) being Künstler?
Thank you and
best wishes,
Bogo

Hi Max, Michal,
No further info re picture 12 (being Künstler or not) available?
Best,
Bogo

[Max Williams]

Here is one of the previous discussions http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... r#p1039154
I am not convinced this is Künstler. I think Mike was a little too quick to say it's the same man as on the steps with Himmler. I can't see his face that well, so I'm sceptical. In another thread (which unfortunately I cannot find) he was identified not as Künstler, but the admin. officer for the camp. I don't have any photos of Künstler, so I cannot say for definite and AHF has been criticised in the past for identifications being a little too fast and accepted easily. If someone has a better likeness to compare I might be more convinced. Until then, as far as I'm concerned, his ID is not confirmed.
Max.

[Michal78]

This is a better quality of the same photo.
Michal

[Michal78]

And one with Künstler. It seems to be the same person. What do you think Max?
Michal

[Max Williams]

That second one provides a much better comparison. Yes, if the SS-Stubaf. with Himmler is known to be Künstler, I agree the portrait is the same man and must therefore be Künstler. Thank you Michal.
Max.

[bogo]

Well Max, Michal, this proves again that "together you are strong"
As Himmler visited Flossenburg only once (06.04.40), Michal's 2 pictures with Himmler visiting Flossenburg must have been taken 06.04.40.
As at that time Künstler was Lagerkommandant of Flossenburg and the only officer with the rank of SS-Sturmbannführer there, the ss-Stubaf. with Himmler must be Künstler.
Given the resemblance, I now also agree that the ss-Stubaf. of picture nr. 12 is Künstler.
Thank you both and
best wishes,
Bogo

[H-U Rudel]

Number 14 is Arno Hellwig

kind regards

Uli

[Colonel Dr K Prabhakar Rao]

Max Koegel was the last commandant of this camp and his details and snap are available on Wikipedia. however others can not be identified with surety.Problem remains.

[Georg_S]

Old thread, but the photo of SS-Ustuf.005 is SS-Ustuf. Ring in the doc, its remarked that Ring can be spelled wrong ad can be Otto Rink. I attach a list of the names on all of the photos. Unfortunately is the photo of SS-Ostuf. Baumgartner missing in this batch. It was attached in the original batch of photos. On the list is also Karl Künstler removed.

//Georg

[Andrey]

Hi, Georg!

Many thanks for this list, but who is who on other photos?
Hellwig, Koegel, Künstler is known, what about the rest?
Thanks,

Andrey.

[Georg_S]

Hello Andrey

I will try to fix the others tonight

Best regards
Georg

[Georg_S]

Hello

Picture which I can identify is:
SS-Oschaf-003 is SS-Oscha. Fritz Steudel
SS-Uschaf-004 is SS-Uscha. Fritz Schlundermann with wife
SS-Hschaf-006 is according to the list SS-Hstuf. Willi von Richter.
SS-Uschaf-007 is SS-Uscha. Piepenstock
SS-Oschaf-008 is SS-Stuscha. Papertz
SS-Uschaf.009 is SS-Scha. Overdeck
SS-Scharf-010 is SS-Uscha. Mohr (I don´t know why he is listed as SS-Uscha. when he is a SS-Scharführer)
SS-Uschaf-013 is SS-Uscha. Michels.

This is what I have managed to identify

Bst regards
Georg

Ps. Source of the list etc is the Staatsarchive Nürnberg Ds