Polish Uniform Portraits and ID

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Polish Uniforms

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Post by halinamc » 06 Jan 2008, 00:33

Hi, I've just joined the group and I would appreciate any help in identifying the uniforms in the attached photo. I have just been sent this from Poland and I believe that one is my grandfather. Is it possible to put a date to the uniforms? What is the significance of the collar decorations and pockets which appear to be different on each man.
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Post by sylvieK4 » 06 Jan 2008, 01:33

Lach wrote:
The 2nd photo from the Legions - I found it great! Officers (?) are wearing Austro-Hungarian hats without peaks and Polish eagles on it.
Do you know the time photo was taken?
It is during the First World War. The photo was taken while WWII hero, Henryk Dobrzynski was in the Polish Legion under the auspices of the Austro-Hungarian
Empire. The Legion used surplus A-H uniform pieces.

halinamc wrote:
Hi, I've just joined the group and I would appreciate any help in identifying the uniforms in the attached photo. I have just been sent this from Poland
and I believe that one is my grandfather. Is it possible to put a date to the uniforms? What is the significance of the collar decorations and pockets which
appear to be different on each man
Welcome! Other participants might be able to give further details, but I believe the uniforms date from very shortly after the First World War.
(circa 1919 ?)

In the wake of the war - when the Polish "Second Republic" was just coming into being - the Polish military did not have a full supply of new
uniforms to outfit their armies. Consequently, the Polish uniform-of-the-day was a mixed bag of tunics, trousers, boots, shoes or leggings left over
from the German, Austro-Hungarian, French and other military forces. This explains why the two men pictured above are wearing different jacket styles:

Others - including myself - have asked about the ornate collar patterns. I believe the last word on this topic was that the "wavy" patterns were
a unique ornamental design without particular significance other than it distinguished the wearer as a Polish soldier. Evidently there was no exclusive
pattern for the wavy design in these early uniforms, either, as they seem to have differed from maker to maker, and often from unit to unit.

If another member of the forum can correct or clarify this information about the collar tab designs (or anything else above), it will be appreciated.


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#453

Post by Lach » 07 Jan 2008, 00:26

sylvieK4 wrote:It is during the First World War. The photo was taken while WWII hero, Henryk Dobrzynski was in the Polish Legion under the auspices of the Austro-Hungarian
Empire. The Legion used surplus A-H uniform pieces.
I understood that. I meant the exact year photo was taken. Do you know it?

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Post by halinamc » 07 Jan 2008, 07:07

Thanks for that information Sylvie. Here is a later picture taken in the 1930s in the Kresy. We have been told that the uniform may be home-guard. What do you think? Unfortunately my grandfather is the blurred one on the left!
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Post by sylvieK4 » 25 Jan 2008, 16:27

We have been told that the uniform may be home-guard. What do you think?
Home Guard fits. I believe the Home Guard - and KOP and maybe some RPII Air Force - had the rounded visor caps,
as opposed to the four-corner. Others can tell you more.

Here is a group portrait - maybe a pick-up band. Note the diverse collar-tab patterns:

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#456

Post by Stazewski » 03 Feb 2008, 02:23

HI,
I was wondering if someone could help me translate the religion on this document

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Post by Stazewski » 03 Feb 2008, 02:27

sorry the object did not post, the religon is hand written and I cannot get it.

it looks like Rabolify

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Post by sylvieK4 » 03 Feb 2008, 15:08

I think we need to see the actual handwriting. Can you try uploading the picture to imageshack or
photobucket and then post the pic or the url for it?

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Post by sylvieK4 » 03 Feb 2008, 16:36

I'm sure it says Catholic - Katolisch

Just a minute....I'll photoshop a close up

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Post by sylvieK4 » 03 Feb 2008, 16:38

Here it is...close up:
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Post by Stazewski » 03 Feb 2008, 16:44

Thanks, that is what I was looking for, I could not get past the "R" now I see the K and the uncrossed T. Even the typed text is unusual, The E in Wyznanie looks like a "c". Oh well I am just getting started, thanks for the help!!!!

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Post by sylvieK4 » 08 Feb 2008, 18:25

1922:
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Post by sylvieK4 » 10 Feb 2008, 18:03

Here is an early one - and an outdoor portrait no less. Ulan uniform with Legion-style Cap.
It is a little hard to tell, but I believe he has the Polish Eagle cap device:
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Post by sylvieK4 » 29 Feb 2008, 01:30

A full-view of an LWP uniform. What pistols did they typically use? (Can anyone tell what model that is?)
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