Help needed in identifying an unusual German/Axis dagger

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GREAKLY
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Help needed in identifying an unusual German/Axis dagger

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Post by GREAKLY » 12 Sep 2014, 23:42

Does anybody know to which country this dagger belongs (see attached pictures)? It's made by Alcoso in a typical German style and quality. So this is clearly not some sort of hand-made fantasy piece. Judging by the style of manufacture, I'd date it sometime between 1930-ties and 1940-ties. Since it was made by a German company I assume that it must have been a German dagger or from one of the axis countries. But it could also be from one of those "Latin American contracts", which German dagger makers were actively doing after WWII.

This dagger has three distinct pieces of heraldry, which might help to identify its origin: the double-headed eagle, the winged female figure (Nike-?) and a crown. The eagle is the easiest one. The following countries have (or had) it on their coat of arms:

Albania
Armenia
Austria (1934–1938)
Austria-Hungary
Byzantine Empire
German Confederation
Holy Roman Empire
Kingdom of Mercia (527–918)
Montenegro
Kingdom of Mysore
Russian Empire
Russian Federation
Seljuk Empire
Serbia
Serbian Empire
Kingdom of Serbia
Spanish Empire (during the Habsburg dynasty)
Kingdom of Yugoslavia

It also appears on other coats of arms and flags, including the flag of the Greek Orthodox Church, the arms and flag of the Hellenic Army General Staff and the Hellenic Army XVI Infantry Division, a number of cities in Germany, Netherlands and Serbia, the arms and flag of the city of Toledo, Spain, and the arms of the town of Velletri, Italy.

However, given that the double-headed eagle does not have crowns, the time frame and some other factors the list becomes VERY narrow:

Albania
Austria (1934–1938)
German Confederation (some sort of jubilee)
Greece
Montenegro
Serbia/Yugoslavia
Spain
some city

To me the eagle looks closest to the one of the German Confederation or the Reichsflotte of the mid-19th Century. As for the other two pieces of insignia (winged female figure and crown) - I have no idea. Does anybody know what they could mean in connection with the double-headed eagle? Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Help needed in identifying an unusual German/Axis dagger

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Post by vladalex » 16 Sep 2014, 13:50

Hello,
A short personal opinion :
The pieces from pictures is a well Known contemporary
Chinese or Turkish Bazar fake.
The years seems to be after 80' - common materials and poor quality of manufacture, accompanied by to many true symbols ...
The fake is made after a model of paratroop parade dagger.
The sheath must be manufactured ( original) from steel or coated steel ( with an alloy of cooper-brass)
The blade ..... from forged steel , and so on, and so on, ...
Sorry, is only an personal opinion .


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VladAlex
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Re: Help needed in identifying an unusual German/Axis dagger

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 17 Sep 2014, 03:07

You are correct vladalex. this dagger is a modern crap garbage. How anyone such as the OP can write a detailed *want-please-hope* thesis on this is beyond modern life

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