Romanian Army terminology

[VJK]

Please could someone explain what the following terms mean:

ordonator primar
ordonator secundar

What were their functions?

Many thanks in advance,

VJK

[VJK]

No one knows??

VJK

[Sedativ]

Where have you seen these terms? I am from Romania but I don't remember seeing any of those terms anywhere until now. You might want to check out Osprey's "Romanian Army of World War 2". It has a list of Romanian ranks and terminoloy plus drawings with Romanian uniforms.

I'll check some other books and then come back with some infos.

[VJK]

Hi,

The terminology is from appointments referred to in the "Monitorul Oficial al României", e.g. from Monitorul Oficial al României. Partea 1, nr. 259, 6 noiembrie 1936:

"Idem Nr. 962 din 21 Octomvrie 1936, generalul de divizie Motas Dumitru se numeste ordonator primar prin delegatie, pe ziua de 15 Octomvrie 1936, in locul generalului de brigadă Cica Gheorghe"

or in Monitorul Oficial al României. Partea 1, nr. 175, 7 august 1930:

"Generalul de divizie Schotsch Hugo se întărește in funcţiunea de ordonator secundar al corpului VI armată, pe timpul dela 1-31 August 1930"

Kind regards,

VJK

[Alixanther]

(...) "... general-major Motas Dumitru is thereby appointed chief-representative ( of ?) by means of delegation (...) in stead of general-colonel Cica Gheorghe".

"The general-major Schotsch Hugo is re-confirmed as an auxiliary representative of VI army corps, during 1-31 august 1930"

Hope this helps. I'm not that accustomed to interwar tasks / ranks / offices.

[VJK]

Thanks for your efforts. Hopefully someone can still explain what functions these appointments actually referred to.

Best regards,

VJK

[Alixanther]

I think that, at that time, "ordonator" ("representative") was as much a title as a role. It comes from "a ordona" which means both to give orders and to put in order in Romanian. "Imputernicit" ("mandategemacht" or something - I'm not that good into Deutsch) might be a synonym. Today's translation of "imputernicit" in english is mainly "representative" which is somewhat misleading, since these people were not elected or put to represent anybody but the one who put them into this job. And usually the "job" did not imply to represent a distant figure but to act according to his will.

[Loïc]

hello

not at all specialist in romanian of course but the romanian is a latin language and as french-speaking member this word is not at all unknown for me

in the french military and administrative terminology an ordonator was a rank function of an officer or funcionary specialized in something like the pay-financial service affairs

and...I thought that the ordornators ceased to exist in the French Army since 1817 but I realize that not only the "ordonators" still exist but that the French Army even today have still "secondary and principal ordonators" in similar functions regarding financial affairs and controlling military accountancy

I don't know if it is the explanation for the Romanian Army but due to the strong french-romanian militaro-cultural relationships in the past with a country we have much in common it would not be a surprise

Regards
Loïc