Ships owned by the Croatian navy

[Chdkz02]

What types of ships did the Croatian navy possess? I understand that there was a treaty with Italy limiting Croatian ships to under 50tons of displacement. But what types of coastal patrol ships or converted merchant ships did they use? Pictures would be appreciated if possible. But info is fine too.

[Prosper Vandenbroucke]

Croatian Navy
Upon the Creation of the NDH, the Italian government vetoed use by the Croatian Navy of any warship over 50 tons. The Croatian Navy therefore organized a Customs and Coastguard service in small armed boats and fishing vessels, divided into 3 Naval Commands: North (based in Crikvenica, later Susak), Central (based in Makarska, later in Split), and South (based in Dubrovnik). A Riverine Flotilla was also organized (based at Zemun), patrolling the Danube and Sava Rivers. The Riverine Flotilla also had a Naval Infantry Battalion, based at Zemun (later moved to Zagreb).
The Croatian Navy did not undergo any reorganizations until the surrender of Italy in September 1943. The surrender nullified the veto on the tonnage of Croatian naval vessels and allowed the Croatian's to occupy several excellent harbours in the parts of Croatia annexed by Italy.
The commanders of the Croatian Navy were Rear-Admiral Djuro Jakcin (April, 1941 - late 1943), Commodore Edgar Angeli (late 1943 - January, 1944), and Rear-Admiral Nikola Steinfl (January 1944 - May 1945).
http://www.feldgrau.com/a-croatia.html

and also over here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_of_t ... of_Croatia

Sorry but I didn't find some pictures.
Kindly regards from Belgium
Prosper

[ffbikersar]

Croatian Navy
Upon the Creation of the NDH, the Italian government vetoed use by the Croatian Navy of any warship over 50 tons. The Croatian Navy therefore organized a Customs and Coastguard service in small armed boats and fishing vessels, divided into 3 Naval Commands: North (based in Crikvenica, later Susak), Central (based in Makarska, later in Split), and South (based in Dubrovnik). A Riverine Flotilla was also organized (based at Zemun), patrolling the Danube and Sava Rivers. The Riverine Flotilla also had a Naval Infantry Battalion, based at Zemun (later moved to Zagreb).
The Croatian Navy did not undergo any reorganizations until the surrender of Italy in September 1943. The surrender nullified the veto on the tonnage of Croatian naval vessels and allowed the Croatian's to occupy several excellent harbours in the parts of Croatia annexed by Italy.
The commanders of the Croatian Navy were Rear-Admiral Djuro Jakcin (April, 1941 - late 1943), Commodore Edgar Angeli (late 1943 - January, 1944), and Rear-Admiral Nikola Steinfl (January 1944 - May 1945).
http://www.feldgrau.com/a-croatia.html

and also over here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_of_t ... of_Croatia

Sorry but I didn't find some pictures.
Kindly regards from Belgium
Prosper

I did find some, at the "Paluba" (= deck in Croatian) portal...

http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=9464.0

[Dr Eisvogel]

Croatian Navy
Upon the Creation of the NDH, the Italian government vetoed use by the Croatian Navy of any warship over 50 tons. The Croatian Navy therefore organized a Customs and Coastguard service in small armed boats and fishing vessels, divided into 3 Naval Commands: North (based in Crikvenica, later Susak), Central (based in Makarska, later in Split), and South (based in Dubrovnik). A Riverine Flotilla was also organized (based at Zemun), patrolling the Danube and Sava Rivers. The Riverine Flotilla also had a Naval Infantry Battalion, based at Zemun (later moved to Zagreb).
The Croatian Navy did not undergo any reorganizations until the surrender of Italy in September 1943. The surrender nullified the veto on the tonnage of Croatian naval vessels and allowed the Croatian's to occupy several excellent harbours in the parts of Croatia annexed by Italy.
The commanders of the Croatian Navy were Rear-Admiral Djuro Jakcin (April, 1941 - late 1943), Commodore Edgar Angeli (late 1943 - January, 1944), and Rear-Admiral Nikola Steinfl (January 1944 - May 1945).
http://www.feldgrau.com/a-croatia.html

and also over here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_of_t ... of_Croatia

Sorry but I didn't find some pictures.
Kindly regards from Belgium
Prosper

I did find some, at the "Paluba" (= deck in Croatian) portal...

http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=9464.0

Dear ffbikersar,

the ship on the photo is marked with the German Balkenkreuz. So, at least at the moment the photo was taken, it belonged to Kriegsmarine.

Best regards,
Eisvogel

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Dear Chdkz02,

the old topic might be of some help:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=26755

Best regards,
Eisvogel

[ffbikersar]

Croatian Navy
Upon the Creation of the NDH, the Italian government vetoed use by the Croatian Navy of any warship over 50 tons. The Croatian Navy therefore organized a Customs and Coastguard service in small armed boats and fishing vessels, divided into 3 Naval Commands: North (based in Crikvenica, later Susak), Central (based in Makarska, later in Split), and South (based in Dubrovnik). A Riverine Flotilla was also organized (based at Zemun), patrolling the Danube and Sava Rivers. The Riverine Flotilla also had a Naval Infantry Battalion, based at Zemun (later moved to Zagreb).
The Croatian Navy did not undergo any reorganizations until the surrender of Italy in September 1943. The surrender nullified the veto on the tonnage of Croatian naval vessels and allowed the Croatian's to occupy several excellent harbours in the parts of Croatia annexed by Italy.
The commanders of the Croatian Navy were Rear-Admiral Djuro Jakcin (April, 1941 - late 1943), Commodore Edgar Angeli (late 1943 - January, 1944), and Rear-Admiral Nikola Steinfl (January 1944 - May 1945).
http://www.feldgrau.com/a-croatia.html

and also over here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy_of_t ... of_Croatia

Sorry but I didn't find some pictures.
Kindly regards from Belgium
Prosper

I did find some, at the "Paluba" (= deck in Croatian) portal...

http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=9464.0

Dear ffbikersar,

the ship on the photo is marked with the German Balkenkreuz. So, at least at the moment the photo was taken, it belonged to Kriegsmarine.

Best regards,
Eisvogel

***

Dear Chdkz02,

the old topic might be of some help:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=26755

Best regards,
Eisvogel

Dear Eisvogel,

At Paluba.info portal for this ship is said: "According to some sources, the ex-Yugoslav training cruiser Niobe (ex Dalmacija) also belonged to the Croatian navy, 2370 GRT, six cannons 8,3 cm callibre, four 4,7 cm and four 20 mm, althought it's a fact that it was under German command".

One more picture is this model of Croatian torpedo boat - from the Croatian Maritime Museum at gripe fortress in Split.



Whoever visits Split ought not to miss this museum. (http://www.hpms.hr/about-museum.html) I visited it two years ago and made this short video clip:

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v113152147Z25TN7qG

[Dr Eisvogel]

Dear Eisvogel,

At Paluba.info portal for this ship is said: "According to some sources, the ex-Yugoslav training cruiser Niobe (ex Dalmacija) also belonged to the Croatian navy, 2370 GRT, six cannons 8,3 cm callibre, four 4,7 cm and four 20 mm, althought it's a fact that it was under German command".

One more picture is this model of Croatian torpedo boat - from the Croatian Maritime Museum at gripe fortress in Split.



Whoever visits Split ought not to miss this museum. (http://www.hpms.hr/about-museum.html) I visited it two years ago and made this short video clip:

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v113152147Z25TN7qG

Dear ffbikesar,

thank you for suggestions and links.

The following page provides data about German Schnellboote on the Adriatic Sea, so probably the type owned by Croatia is represented as well:
http://s-boot.net/sboote-km-adria.html
http://s-boot.net/sboats-kriegsmarine-types.html
http://s-boot.net/test-boats%20kriegsmarine.html

Best regards
Eisvogel

[ffbikersar]

Dear Eisvogel,

At Paluba.info portal for this ship is said: "According to some sources, the ex-Yugoslav training cruiser Niobe (ex Dalmacija) also belonged to the Croatian navy, 2370 GRT, six cannons 8,3 cm callibre, four 4,7 cm and four 20 mm, althought it's a fact that it was under German command".

One more picture is this model of Croatian torpedo boat - from the Croatian Maritime Museum at gripe fortress in Split.



Whoever visits Split ought not to miss this museum. (http://www.hpms.hr/about-museum.html) I visited it two years ago and made this short video clip:

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v113152147Z25TN7qG

Dear ffbikesar,

thank you for suggestions and links.

The following page provides data about German Schnellboote on the Adriatic Sea, so probably the type owned by Croatia is represented as well:
http://s-boot.net/sboote-km-adria.html
http://s-boot.net/sboats-kriegsmarine-types.html
http://s-boot.net/test-boats%20kriegsmarine.html

Best regards
Eisvogel

Dear Eisvogel,

You are welcome! At another place at Paluba.info is said how, following the capitulation of Italy, "In Triest with Croatian crews and under German command the flottila of torpedo boats had been formes, with 12 fast torpedo boats of the M.S. type with 63 GRT. They were marken T1 to T12, later T 101 to 112". Those were probably German torpedo boats - here's the picture of one after it had been captured by the partisans (former KS5 - KustenSchnellboot):



Here's one more Croatian ship - mines laying ship Pasman:

[Dr Eisvogel]

Dear Eisvogel,

You are welcome! At another place at Paluba.info is said how, following the capitulation of Italy, "In Triest with Croatian crews and under German command the flottila of torpedo boats had been formes, with 12 fast torpedo boats of the M.S. type with 63 GRT. They were marken T1 to T12, later T 101 to 112". Those were probably German torpedo boats - here's the picture of one after it had been captured by the partisans (former KS5 - KustenSchnellboot):

Dear ffbikesar,

this photo you've provided is really helpful in identifying the ship type (model).

This is the data about that particular type of ship from the German page, http://www.s-boot.net:

Typ „KS“

The S-Boats developed by Lürssen-Shipyard in co-operation with Ministerialrat Dyckmann with dimensions of 15,95 m length, 3,5 m beam and a draft of 1,1 m were in the first place utilized as Coastal Minelayers (Küstenminenleger = „KM“). The propulsion of these boats displacing 19 ts existed of two not reversible 550/650 PS BMW 12-cyllinder-fourstroke-gaoline-aircraft-engines, which gave the boats speeds of 30 to 32 kts empty and 24 kts fully loaded. The boats got two 15-mm-Luftwaffen-MGs.



Coastal Minenlayer Type „KM 1“ - Picture from Fock Schnellboote Vol. 2

The first boats were finished 1942. Four boats were shipped to the Gulf of Finland also were boats shipped to the Black Sea. Early 1944 eight boats were originally subordinated to the Danube-Flotilla but than in the middle of 1944 they were given to Croatia. There they were designated “KS 1“ to „KS 8“. „KS 8“ burned out, „KS 5“ deserted to the partisans. The other boats were taken back by the Kriegsmarine.

From summer 1944 a part of the KM-Boats were fitted with two 45-cm-aluminium-torpedo-tubes and a 2-cm-machinegun and designated as Coastal-S-Boats („Küstenschnellboote“ = „KS“-Boats). The „KS-Boats“ had the numbers 1, 2, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, and 36. The fate und the whereabouts of the boats is not comprehensible.



Small S-Boat Type „KS 1“ – Picture from Fock Schnellboote Vol. 2

http://s-boot.net/test-boats%20kriegsmarine.html

Also, I feel obliged to cite Mr. Larry D. from the old topic:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 11#p707011

Five boats of the 22. Schnellbootsflottille were turned over to the Croatian Navy on 9.9.44 and transferred 20-27 September from Lignano to Rijeka where they formed the Croatian KKS Flottille (Kroatische Küsten-Schnellbootsflottille or Coastal Motor Torpedo Flotilla) subordinate to the German 11. Sicherungsdivision. Originally, 8 boats were planned for the KKS Flotilla, but only 5 were delivered, including KS 11, KS 31 and KS 32. All 5 boats of the Flotilla attempted to leave port without German permission during the night of 14 December in a planned defection to the Partisans, but only the lead boat managed to get away. The remaining personnel were seized, arrested and court-martialed.

Best regards,
Eisvogel

[ffbikersar]

Dear Eisvogel,

Thanks a lot! For that mines layer I forgot to add that the ship ran aground, and after that the crew and the ship were under partisan's artillery fire so it was impossible to salvage it.

Best regards,
FFbikersar

[Dr Eisvogel]

Dear Eisvogel,

Thanks a lot! For that mines layer I forgot to add that the ship ran aground, and after that the crew and the ship were under partisan's artillery fire so it was impossible to salvage it.

Best regards,
FFbikersar

Dear FFbikersar,

the minelayer "Pasman" should have been wrecked on the island of Ist in Zadar archipelago:

Pasman in September, 1943 also was captured by Germans and transferred to Croatian Navy; 31/12/1943 she wrecked at island Ist and 5/1/1944 was destroyed at the same place by Yugoslavian Guerilla ship NB3.

http://www.navypedia.org/ships/yugoslav ... linska.htm

Also, there is the Croatian Wikipedia article (https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pa%C5%A1man_(minolovac)), which suggests that Croatia renamed it into "Mosor", but the only link it provides does not confirm such a statement. It also claims that it was ordered by Austria-Hungary as MT-134, but another wikipedia page in English (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albona-class_minelayer), claims it was ordered by Austria-Hungary as MT-137.


The post on the old topic suggests that Croatia renamed it into "Mosor" and that "Pasman" was its name only during the minelayer's Italian service.

Minen-Tender „Mosor“
(ex Italian „Pasman“; ex Yugoslavian „Mosor“)
basierte auf k. & k. MT 130-Klasse

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 03#p708103

There is a bit-more about that class of minelayers, which suggests that Mosor/Pasman was initially ordered by Austria-Hungary in 1917 as MT-137.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albona-class_minelayer

Best regards,
Eisvogel

[ffbikersar]

Hello Eisvogel,

Paluba.info mentions "Kozija draga" as the place where Pasman was wrecked - that may be name of the place on Island Ist. According to the same source partisan ship NB-3 captured it, but then abandoned.

Here is one of the ships belonging to Croatian river flotilla - river monitor "Sava" (ex "Bodrog"), built by the Austro-Hungarian navy in 1904. Yugoslav crew sunk it on 12/04/1941 in the port of Zemun so that the Germans would not capture it, but Germans managed to recover it in 1942 and gave it to the Croatian navy. Communist Yugoslavia's navy later used it too.



And few more pics of the same from a page with inforamtion on Austro-Hungarian navy http://jna-sfrj.forum-aktiv.com/t2993p1 ... -monarhije

It's interesting that bombardment of Belgrade from this ship and monitors "Szamos" and "Temes" marked the beginning of World War I on 28/07/1914 !!!









It's now in Novi Sad, and they plan to restore it into a museum ship

Best regards,
FFBikersar

[ffbikersar]

At this page I found information about the German navy at the Adriatic Sea, and it also contained notes on ships that (at least for some time) belonged to the Croatian navy: http://www.croinfo.net/vijesti-hrvatska ... -1943-1945

First is the destroyer TA-35, ex Pillade Bronzzeti, ex Giuseppe Dezza in Italian navy. It was included in the Germany navy with Croatian crew on 09/06/1944. While sailing from Rijeka to Trieste on 17/08/1944 it hit the mine and sunk.



http://i45.tinypic.com/2lw6p1s.jpg

Next one is TA-48, ex T-3, ex 78T. Built for the Austro-Hungarian navy, it later belonged to the navies of Kingdom SHS and Italy, and after Germans captured it on 16/10/1943, they handed it over to the Croatian navy on 15/08/1944. Later they took it back due to unrealibility of Croatian navy and the ship had been sunk in Trieste on 20/02/1945.

[Dr Eisvogel]

Hello Eisvogel,

Paluba.info mentions "Kozija draga" as the place where Pasman was wrecked - that may be name of the place on Island Ist. According to the same source partisan ship NB-3 captured it, but then abandoned.

Best regards,
FFBikersar

Dear FFBikersar,

thank you, I've found Kozja Draga bay on the cadastre plan of the island of Ist. It is on the northeastern coast:
http://www.grad-zadar.hr/repos/doc/4.9%20GP%20Ist.pdf

Best regards,
Eisvogel