Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)
Gentlemen,
Data from an essay by a certain Mr Zoltán Sõregi, published in "Az elsodort város" (a book about the siege of Budapest)
strength of an average huszár regiment (as of 1944 summer, I guess):
- 82 officers
- 2988 huszárs
- 3068 horses
equipment:
- 2367 rifles
- 375 SMGs
- 24 MGs (maybe 1907/31M 8mm belt-fed Schwarzlose)
- 12 AT rifles (1936M 20mm Solothurn)
- 12 grenade throwers (1936M 50mm German and/or 1939M 50mm FÉG)
- 60 LMGs (1931M 8mm magazine-fed Solothurn?)
- 12 AT guns (40M 75mm = PaK40?)
- 16 mortars (81mm)
- 4 field howitzers (1918/22M 75mm)
composition of regiment:
- regimental HQ
- regimental units:
* staff platoon (2 LMG squads)
* pioneer platoon
* communications platoon
* mortar platoon (4 mortars)
* motorized AT company (6 AT guns)
* huszár battery (4 howitzers, 2 MGs, 2 LMGs, 7 officers, 140 men, 160 horses)
- 2 „osztály”(squadron?)[/list]
composition of squadron:
- pioneer platoon
- communications platoon
- assault platoon (3 LMG squads)
- heavy weapons company:
* 2 MG platoons (6 MGs)
* 2 mortar platoons (6 mortars)
* 2 AT platoon (3 AT guns)
- 3 huszár companies (including 2 MG squads, 2 GrThr squads, 2 AT rifle squads each)
Bye,
Krisz
Data from an essay by a certain Mr Zoltán Sõregi, published in "Az elsodort város" (a book about the siege of Budapest)
strength of an average huszár regiment (as of 1944 summer, I guess):
- 82 officers
- 2988 huszárs
- 3068 horses
equipment:
- 2367 rifles
- 375 SMGs
- 24 MGs (maybe 1907/31M 8mm belt-fed Schwarzlose)
- 12 AT rifles (1936M 20mm Solothurn)
- 12 grenade throwers (1936M 50mm German and/or 1939M 50mm FÉG)
- 60 LMGs (1931M 8mm magazine-fed Solothurn?)
- 12 AT guns (40M 75mm = PaK40?)
- 16 mortars (81mm)
- 4 field howitzers (1918/22M 75mm)
composition of regiment:
- regimental HQ
- regimental units:
* staff platoon (2 LMG squads)
* pioneer platoon
* communications platoon
* mortar platoon (4 mortars)
* motorized AT company (6 AT guns)
* huszár battery (4 howitzers, 2 MGs, 2 LMGs, 7 officers, 140 men, 160 horses)
- 2 „osztály”(squadron?)[/list]
composition of squadron:
- pioneer platoon
- communications platoon
- assault platoon (3 LMG squads)
- heavy weapons company:
* 2 MG platoons (6 MGs)
* 2 mortar platoons (6 mortars)
* 2 AT platoon (3 AT guns)
- 3 huszár companies (including 2 MG squads, 2 GrThr squads, 2 AT rifle squads each)
Bye,
Krisz
Gentlemen,
This comes from „Honvédhuszárok 1920-1945” by György Ságvári, Gyõzõ Somogyi and Péter Szabó, published in 2001
Composition of 1CavDiv
- 2HusReg
- 3HusReg
- 4HusReg
- 3RecceBtn (2Coy, 13 armored cars each (probably 12 39M Csaba + 1 40M Csaba) N.B. only 1Coy deployed to the front
- 15BicycleBtn:
*3 Bicycle coy (12 1931M LMGs, 2 1936M AT rifles, 2 GrThr each)
*1 MG coy (6 MGs)
*1 MotHowBry (4 1940M 105mm howitzer? + 1941M Rába tractor?)
*1 ATCoy (6 40M Nimród self-prop 40mm AT+AA gun)
- 1ArmoredHorseBtn
*2 hvy armored coy (11 41M Turán each)
*2 med armored coy (11 40M Turán each)
*1 mixed armored coy (3 43M Turán + 5 38M Toldi possibly ver. IIA?)
- 1HorseArtySqn (3 bry, 4 guns each)
- 3MotArtySqn (3 bry, 4 105mm howitzer each)
- 55AAASqn
*2 bry, 6 40mm AA gun each
*1 bry, 4 80mm AA gun
- 4MotPioneerCoy
- 1HorseCommoCoy
+supply train
Total: 604 officers, 16292 troops, 11057 horses, 1140 vehicles, including 120 armored.
Later some additional units were attached:
- VII/1 MotMedHowBry (4 150mm howitzers, possibly 1931M)
- 15MotBikeCoy
Bye,
Krisz
This comes from „Honvédhuszárok 1920-1945” by György Ságvári, Gyõzõ Somogyi and Péter Szabó, published in 2001
Composition of 1CavDiv
- 2HusReg
- 3HusReg
- 4HusReg
- 3RecceBtn (2Coy, 13 armored cars each (probably 12 39M Csaba + 1 40M Csaba) N.B. only 1Coy deployed to the front
- 15BicycleBtn:
*3 Bicycle coy (12 1931M LMGs, 2 1936M AT rifles, 2 GrThr each)
*1 MG coy (6 MGs)
*1 MotHowBry (4 1940M 105mm howitzer? + 1941M Rába tractor?)
*1 ATCoy (6 40M Nimród self-prop 40mm AT+AA gun)
- 1ArmoredHorseBtn
*2 hvy armored coy (11 41M Turán each)
*2 med armored coy (11 40M Turán each)
*1 mixed armored coy (3 43M Turán + 5 38M Toldi possibly ver. IIA?)
- 1HorseArtySqn (3 bry, 4 guns each)
- 3MotArtySqn (3 bry, 4 105mm howitzer each)
- 55AAASqn
*2 bry, 6 40mm AA gun each
*1 bry, 4 80mm AA gun
- 4MotPioneerCoy
- 1HorseCommoCoy
+supply train
Total: 604 officers, 16292 troops, 11057 horses, 1140 vehicles, including 120 armored.
Later some additional units were attached:
- VII/1 MotMedHowBry (4 150mm howitzers, possibly 1931M)
- 15MotBikeCoy
Bye,
Krisz
Dear Hungarist,
These were some model of armour - SPV, tanks, tanquette and armoured car - service in Hungarian 1. Huszár Division
Best regards
Orlov
ps.: I recommended Polish comediodrama directed by Andrzej Munk (classic and distributed in English Subtitles) „EROICA. SYMFONIA BOHATERSKA W DWOCH CZESCIACH" (Eroica. Hero's Symphony in Two Parts) about wartime Poland and short episode with Hungarian soldier 1. Huszár Division (visible only trucks and T-34 as Pz.Kpfw. IV) who stayed at forest near Polish capital at Warsaw's Uprising and communicated to AK. The best is directoral cut - EROICA in THREE PARTS - this is excellent film represent famous Polish School (but very bitter for Poles!). Hungarian are happy and relaxing outside of burning and murdered city... ORDERS IS ORDERS!!!
These were some model of armour - SPV, tanks, tanquette and armoured car - service in Hungarian 1. Huszár Division
Best regards
Orlov
ps.: I recommended Polish comediodrama directed by Andrzej Munk (classic and distributed in English Subtitles) „EROICA. SYMFONIA BOHATERSKA W DWOCH CZESCIACH" (Eroica. Hero's Symphony in Two Parts) about wartime Poland and short episode with Hungarian soldier 1. Huszár Division (visible only trucks and T-34 as Pz.Kpfw. IV) who stayed at forest near Polish capital at Warsaw's Uprising and communicated to AK. The best is directoral cut - EROICA in THREE PARTS - this is excellent film represent famous Polish School (but very bitter for Poles!). Hungarian are happy and relaxing outside of burning and murdered city... ORDERS IS ORDERS!!!
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Hi
I am trying to find a platoon of the Hungarian Army that might have a connection to Oradea (Nagyvarad), posibly something to do with a communication (telephone) unit that operated or had it's base in a hospital, same platoon might have later ended up in Budapest, and later as a bicycle platoon ( posibly in a retreated after the Seige of Budapest) in Austria where they were taken by the Americans.
Any information that might point me in the right direction is wellcomed, unfortunatly I do not know any other details and the facts listed above could be the key to my research.
Diana
I am trying to find a platoon of the Hungarian Army that might have a connection to Oradea (Nagyvarad), posibly something to do with a communication (telephone) unit that operated or had it's base in a hospital, same platoon might have later ended up in Budapest, and later as a bicycle platoon ( posibly in a retreated after the Seige of Budapest) in Austria where they were taken by the Americans.
I am wondering if the above quate would be related to the platoon I am searching.3. Cavalry Regiment
Regimental HQ garrisoned at Nagyvárad, 3./I garrisoned at Nagyvárad, 3./II garrisoned at Munkács
Organisation as above, however one of the 3./I cavalry companies was garrisoned at Nagy-Szalonta
Any information that might point me in the right direction is wellcomed, unfortunatly I do not know any other details and the facts listed above could be the key to my research.
Diana
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Re: Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)
Hardi wrote about an assault with a sword as the Italian Savoia Cavalry, daoes anybody can help me to find more information because i'm a fan of magyar huszard : a book, a link ?
My languages : italian, french, english and magyar (my wife will translate thanks to her)
Thank for your kind help.
My languages : italian, french, english and magyar (my wife will translate thanks to her)
Thank for your kind help.
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the charge of Huszár
I have red the book of Erich KERN : Der Grosse Rausch, in french : La Dernière Ivresse where this charge is mentionned :
We were petrified. At the order, the huszars attacked, colonel heading,...
We were petrified. At the order, the huszars attacked, colonel heading,...
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My father's old Hungarian dictionary gives the following meanings for osztály: section, class, department, share.hardi wrote:I do not know that do I translate correctly the hungarian "osztály" int the names of artillery units - in german they are "abteilungen".
Cheers,
Janos
So my guess would be that "department" is the most appropriate as Google translates abteilungen as "department".
Re: Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)
Hi,
Your father's dictionary is a good one but unfortunately not an adequate one
All the meanings given relate to different civilian aspects of life, whereas in the military jargon "osztály" refers to a unit that comprises multiple companies (i.e. ~ battalion). As far as I know it was used in connection with artillery, cavalry and air force.
Bye,
Krisz
Your father's dictionary is a good one but unfortunately not an adequate one
All the meanings given relate to different civilian aspects of life, whereas in the military jargon "osztály" refers to a unit that comprises multiple companies (i.e. ~ battalion). As far as I know it was used in connection with artillery, cavalry and air force.
Bye,
Krisz
Re: Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)
History of 2. lovas-tüzér osztály in Budapest, 1944-1945:
http://magyarhonved.blogspot.hu/2013/02 ... ezese.html
http://magyarhonved.blogspot.hu/2013/02 ... ezese.html
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Re: Let's build: 1. Huszár Division (Hungary)
Nice !
I would love to make a Huszár impression one day. Took a "horse-driving" course because of it this summer.
If anyone has any more info about that old style sabre attack in Russia ?
I would love to make a Huszár impression one day. Took a "horse-driving" course because of it this summer.
If anyone has any more info about that old style sabre attack in Russia ?