BULGARIAN Army in 1920s-1930s (organization, equipment)

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Post by BIGpanzer » 11 Apr 2005, 13:56

Please, help!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)
Please, help me with the info about types of artillery guns (mortars, cannons, howitzers), used by Bulgarian Army in 1920s-1930s. Also with the description of organization of artillery units in Bulgarian Army during the same period. I could find only a very few materials about that.


I would like to combine the info about Bulgarian Army of interwar period (between WWI and WWII), but there are a few sources about the Bulgarian military. What I already found, I've posted here (you could find here the info about Bulgarian Air Force, Navy etc). Also some forum members, especially Dibo from Bulgaria helped me. But there are still several gaps in my knowledge, especially about ground forces of the Kingdom of Bulgaria. So, please help with any info about Bulgarian Army of 1920-1939! That will be an interesting topic for many forum members here!!!!!!


Thanks in advance, BIGpanzer.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 03 Jul 2005, 22:50

Still need the info about Bulgarian artillery of preWWII period :wink:


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Post by BIGpanzer » 11 Aug 2005, 02:15

I found a mention that Bulgarians raised in 1936 the old German submarine UB-45, which was sank in 1916 near Varna. Several preWWII books about world's navies give the info that this submarine served in Bulgarian Navy, but I couldn't find confirmation to that in modern books, all of them don't give any info about Bulgarian submarine during WWII period.
Can anybody make clear the situation? If the old Germane submarine really served at Bulgarian Navy during WWII - under which name?

Also one question for knowledgable guys - did Bulgarians used during WWII the minelayer/hydrographic ship "Kamchiya"? That 105 t previous French yacht was bought by Bulgaria in 1906 and was used during WWI, but what happened with it later, I don't know.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 11 Aug 2005, 17:57

In 1939 Bulgarian Army used Austrian and German Mannlicher rifles and carbines (8mm M95, M38, M39), Russian Mosin-Nagant rifles (7.62mm M91), French Mannlicher-Berthier (6.5 mm M07/15) rifles, French Lebel (8mm) rifles.
Also Madsen LMG (8mm M27), ZB M39 (8mm) LMG, Steyr-Solothurn (8mm) LMG, Maxim (8mm M1907, M1909) HMG, Schwarzlose (8mm M07/12) HMG, .303 Vickers (8mm) HMG.

Is this info correct?

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Post by dibo » 12 Aug 2005, 00:02

BIGpanzer wrote:I found a mention that Bulgarians raised in 1936 the old German submarine UB-45, which was sank in 1916 near Varna. Several preWWII books about world's navies give the info that this submarine served in Bulgarian Navy, but I couldn't find confirmation to that in modern books, all of them don't give any info about Bulgarian submarine during WWII period.
Can anybody make clear the situation? If the old Germane submarine really served at Bulgarian Navy during WWII - under which name?
No, Bulgaria did not have any subs in 1919-1954. UB-45 was indeed raised in 1936 and its engine was found serviceable and mounted on the sail training vessel "Assen" (240t. former Russian sailing ship "Utrish"). The sub itself AFAIK was scuttled.
BIGpanzer wrote:Also one question for knowledgable guys - did Bulgarians used during WWII the minelayer/hydrographic ship "Kamchiya"? That 105 t previous French yacht was bought by Bulgaria in 1906 and was used during WWI, but what happened with it later, I don't know.
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Shortly before the end of WW1 "Kamchia" was given to Varna port authority. Later she was employed in the Marine Police. In 1924 she underwent a major refit and modernization. In the 1930s Kamchia participated in hydographic surveys on the Danube. After WW2 she was used as hydrographic and training vessel. Decommissioned in 1952.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 12 Aug 2005, 19:01

Thanks for the clarifications, dibo!

Just several addition questions:
1. What was the most widely used rifle (Mannlicher M95 or M38-M39), LMG (Madsen or Steyr Solothurn) and HMG (Maxim, Schwarzlose or Vickers) in Bulgarian Army of late 1930s.
2. Bulgarian Army had 1 motorized field artillery regiment in 1939. What trucks or tractors did it use? Probably, Pavesi-Fiat tractors and Mercedes-Benz L-2000/L-3000 trucks, am I right?
3. What were the gun models of field artillery in late 1930s (the same 75mm and 77mm guns, as served during WWI or not)? What was the equipment of heavy artillery (WWI-period 120mm light and 150mm heavy howitzers...)?

Thanks in advance, BIGpanzer

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Post by dibo » 13 Aug 2005, 11:15

BIGpanzer wrote:In 1939 Bulgarian Army used Austrian and German Mannlicher rifles and carbines (8mm M95, M38, M39), Russian Mosin-Nagant rifles (7.62mm M91), French Mannlicher-Berthier (6.5 mm M07/15) rifles, French Lebel (8mm) rifles.
Also Madsen LMG (8mm M27), ZB M39 (8mm) LMG, Steyr-Solothurn (8mm) LMG, Maxim (8mm M1907, M1909) HMG, Schwarzlose (8mm M07/12) HMG, .303 Vickers (8mm) HMG.

Is this info correct?
Let me see:

After the Neuilly Restrictions the Bulgarian army was left with 219 arty guns, 355 MG, 38065 rifles. Thousands of rifles, hundreds and some arty guns were hidden throughout Bulgaria.
Several dozens Madsen LMG were delivered in late 20-s (1926 - 20, later unknown).

01.12.1939 - Army has:
8mm Manlicher Rifles - 225 276
7.62mm Mosin-Nagant Rifles - 69 493 (leftovers from WW1 and the White Armies)
8mm Manlicher Carbines - 112 608 (50000 of these are former Austrian and Czech army Manlichers delivered in late 1939 - all in all 73 000 delivered);
4252 LMG (incl. several dozens Madsen LMG, 244 Steyr LMG, 1500 Bren LMG);
3296 HMG (incl. 1000 Schwarzlose HMG from the former Austrian army armaments);
308 Anti-tank rifles (Solothurn)
8444 Pistols (Parabellum and others)

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Post by dibo » 13 Aug 2005, 11:44

BIGpanzer wrote:Thanks for the clarifications, dibo!

Just several addition questions:
1. What was the most widely used rifle (Mannlicher M95 or M38-M39), LMG (Madsen or Steyr Solothurn) and HMG (Maxim, Schwarzlose or Vickers) in Bulgarian Army of late 1930s.
2. Bulgarian Army had 1 motorized field artillery regiment in 1939. What trucks or tractors did it use? Probably, Pavesi-Fiat tractors and Mercedes-Benz L-2000/L-3000 trucks, am I right?
3. What were the gun models of field artillery in late 1930s (the same 75mm and 77mm guns, as served during WWI or not)? What was the equipment of heavy artillery (WWI-period 120mm light and 150mm heavy howitzers...)?

Thanks in advance, BIGpanzer
1. Manlicher M95. The overall quantity of M38 and M39 supplies was 73 000. LMG - At that time my guess is Bren (in 1939), then Steyr, then Madsen, but I'm not sure. HMG - maybe Shwarzlose.
2. Yes Pavese P.C. 26 (delivered in 1930), 30 (delivered in 1935), 30A (50 delivered in 1938) - these were the only tractors available until 1940, although I have heard that limited amounts of Mac Cormicks (M.I.s 12, 14, 30, 35) and Allis Chalmers WKO were delivered in mid-30s. As for the trucks - I don't know, but I guess you are partly right.
3. AFAIK 75mm "Krupp" and "Schneider" from WW1, 75mm "Skoda" mountain guns from WW1, 75mm modern "Bofors", 105mm "Krupp" and "Skoda" from WW1, 75mm modern "Krupp" and "Rheinmetals".







Here is a snippet of info you may found interesting - I have posted this on a Yahoo group two years ago.

It appears M1895/34 was a carbine. M1895 were both rifles and carbines.

Quote from Petrov, Ljudmil The Military Economy of Bulgaria 1919-1945, Sofia 1999, Pp.42-43 (Translation is mine)

...In early 1934 a new gunpowder installation is bought from the Danish company "Nielsen & Winter", and in the next year it is installed. From the next 1936 the new installation is already operational in the Gunpowder&Explosives Department in the State Military Factory in Kazanlak (nowadays "Arsenal" - Dibo). That creates the possibility to produce new types of ammo for small arms in the State Military Factory. The ballistic potentialities of the sharp-edged "S" bullet, of the tracers, armor-piercing and incendiary bullets are explored in specialised publication in the military periodicals [Sirakov, Assen, Special bullets for the Infantry - "Syvremenna Pekhota" ("Modern Infantry") 1932-1933 - Vol 3 Pp. 159-163; Rangelov, Simeon, Sharp-edged bullets for infantry weapons - "Artilerijski pregled" ("Artillery review") 1940, Vol.2, Pp. 152-161]. The Authors are leading specialists in the field of military weapons. And in 1935 the new sharp-edged "S" bullet for 8mm infantry cartridge is introduced, that has improved ballistic stability, increased initial speed and range and thus the the ballistic qualities of the existing rifles are considerably improved. This however reqired the reachambering of all the cartridge chambers of the rifles and carbines Manlicher M1895 and all the machine-guns barrels with a calibre of 8mm. The muzzle sights of all carbines are remodelled, especially the carbines made by cutting the barrels of the 8mm Manlicher Rifles. The rechambering is made by a special weaponry brigade in the field, and the remodelling of the sights is carried out in the State Military Factory. These modifications are the reasons for the change of the name of the weapon to be changed and the carbine is remnamed to 8mm Magazine chambered carbine "Manlicher" M1895/34. It has better ballistic qualities compared with the original 8mm Manlicher carbine M1895.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 15 Aug 2005, 12:15

Thanks, dibo!
Excellent info, I couldn't find the info about exact amounts of rifles and MGs in Bulgarian Army.

Recently I've found the following site about Bulgarian infantry weapons in 1878-1990: http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/bulg.htm
The info there is not so many, only description of the models, not their amount. But seems quite enough to understand the equipment of Bulgarian infantry.

Regards, BIGpanzer.

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Post by dibo » 15 Aug 2005, 12:26

BIGpanzer wrote:Thanks, dibo!
Excellent info, I couldn't find the info about exact amounts of rifles and MGs in Bulgarian Army.

Recently I've found the following site about Bulgarian infantry weapons in 1878-1990: http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/bulg.htm
The info there is not so many, only description of the models, not their amount. But seems quite enough to understand the equipment of Bulgarian infantry.

Regards, BIGpanzer.

However some of the info there is incorrect IMHO :|

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Post by BIGpanzer » 16 Aug 2005, 17:01

Interesting, did Bulgaria have military districts before/during WWII and in which cities did HQs of the Bulgarian four army corps locate in 1939?

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Post by dibo » 17 Aug 2005, 21:10

BIGpanzer wrote:Interesting, did Bulgaria have military districts before/during WWII and in which cities did HQs of the Bulgarian four army corps locate in 1939?
Four - created in 1928 as "First Class Garrisons" - Sofia, Plovdiv, Varna and Pleven.


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Post by BIGpanzer » 18 Aug 2005, 16:24

Thanks for the advices, Dibo!
The info in HOI threads is very useful for me also. I played in HOI II several months ago and Bulgaria in 1936 scenario didn't have any Air Forces and Navy, only several infantry/cavalry divisions and artillery brigade as I remember :wink:

Regards, BIGpanzer

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Post by BIGpanzer » 20 Aug 2005, 18:01

Dear dibo!
Probably, the last questions about Bulgarian artillery organization :)
Do you have the info about the amount of the guns (field, mountain, heavy, fortress) in Bulgarian Army of 1930s (at least 1938 or 1939 year)? May be you also have the exact amount of each model of the guns, used by Bulgarian Army in 1930s....... 8)

Also do you know any information about fortification positions at Sofia, Choumen and Vidin as well as about coast defense of Varna and Burgas ports of that period?

Is the info that State Bulgarian Army Factory and Military School were located in Sofia correct?

Thank you in advance!
Regards, BIGpanzer

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