Italian Camo
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Filippov 125
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HJDivision
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Kameraden,
Drew may opt to move this to a new thread title but Pionier gear can be found on ebay. A complete set of original pouches, ruck, and shoulder korpertache sold last week for mega bucks. I was involved to the end but someone obviously wanted them more than I. As for saws, there were two kinds. The first is the stiff saw that was housed in the leather scabbard and the second was a linked saw (like a bicycle chain) that coiled up and was stored in a small leather pouch. I have the chain type saw and I use it all the time to fell trees in my yard. There is a scabbard type for sale right now at the Collectors guild. Also Clay (formerly of Ost Front now at Bunker) is a huge Pionier collector. He has answered a million question about Pionier gear for me over the past few years.
One of these days I'll put all my Pioniere gear together and take a foto for the list. The stuff is very expensive but OH so kool!
Sepp
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Sepp
Drew may opt to move this to a new thread title but Pionier gear can be found on ebay. A complete set of original pouches, ruck, and shoulder korpertache sold last week for mega bucks. I was involved to the end but someone obviously wanted them more than I. As for saws, there were two kinds. The first is the stiff saw that was housed in the leather scabbard and the second was a linked saw (like a bicycle chain) that coiled up and was stored in a small leather pouch. I have the chain type saw and I use it all the time to fell trees in my yard. There is a scabbard type for sale right now at the Collectors guild. Also Clay (formerly of Ost Front now at Bunker) is a huge Pionier collector. He has answered a million question about Pionier gear for me over the past few years.
One of these days I'll put all my Pioniere gear together and take a foto for the list. The stuff is very expensive but OH so kool!
Sepp
http://www.1SS-LSSAH.com
Sepp
Soldat13,
Nah, SS, Heer, and Luft. units in Italy during the surrender took vast quantities of Camo material not pre finished uniforms. Kompanie tailors made uniforms for the men within the Kompanies and much of the camo made it up the chain of command and was turnerd into uniforms that made their way around every branch of the German armed forces. The most popular is the second pattern Karkov Parka. These Italian camo items were not made buy the Italians. These were German manufactured items. By the amount of foto evidence, it would seem that the units that removed the fabric from Italy retained much of it for use within thier division. The 1.SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler seemed to be very fond of the Italian camo and when some of the divisions NCO's were moved to 12.SS Hitlerjugend they took their uniforms and camo material with them to the new division. Many pictures of the young men of the Hitlerjugend Division who were too young to have been in Italy are seen wearing the camo in Normandy. The map pocket you speak of was very popular on Panzer uniforms. The thigh area is a very handy place to keep a map weather in a Panzer or running around the hedgerows of Normady. I imagine it was a very popular feture and was incorporated into many kompanie level made uniforms.
The trousers that were made out of the uniforms don't really match any mass produced German trouser. Some are a varient between the M37 Langhose and the m43 Keilhose. The majority were cut very generous at the calf and ankle. A large percentage were made as a slip on over the wool trousers and had no pockets only pass through slits so the pockets in the wool trousers could be accessed. Since these were made at the kompanie level, extras like corded keyhole shaped button holes were not included. However, many custom made uniforms seem to have been made by very talented tailors but these uniforms are normally seen on Officers who could affort to spend extra money to have private tailors make their uniforms.
Sepp
Nah, SS, Heer, and Luft. units in Italy during the surrender took vast quantities of Camo material not pre finished uniforms. Kompanie tailors made uniforms for the men within the Kompanies and much of the camo made it up the chain of command and was turnerd into uniforms that made their way around every branch of the German armed forces. The most popular is the second pattern Karkov Parka. These Italian camo items were not made buy the Italians. These were German manufactured items. By the amount of foto evidence, it would seem that the units that removed the fabric from Italy retained much of it for use within thier division. The 1.SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler seemed to be very fond of the Italian camo and when some of the divisions NCO's were moved to 12.SS Hitlerjugend they took their uniforms and camo material with them to the new division. Many pictures of the young men of the Hitlerjugend Division who were too young to have been in Italy are seen wearing the camo in Normandy. The map pocket you speak of was very popular on Panzer uniforms. The thigh area is a very handy place to keep a map weather in a Panzer or running around the hedgerows of Normady. I imagine it was a very popular feture and was incorporated into many kompanie level made uniforms.
The trousers that were made out of the uniforms don't really match any mass produced German trouser. Some are a varient between the M37 Langhose and the m43 Keilhose. The majority were cut very generous at the calf and ankle. A large percentage were made as a slip on over the wool trousers and had no pockets only pass through slits so the pockets in the wool trousers could be accessed. Since these were made at the kompanie level, extras like corded keyhole shaped button holes were not included. However, many custom made uniforms seem to have been made by very talented tailors but these uniforms are normally seen on Officers who could affort to spend extra money to have private tailors make their uniforms.
Sepp
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Sepp:
Agreed, some units I know allow the 'postwar' stuff in, and when I first started up, I didn't know enough about the Italian camo variants, I read somewhere that the pattern hadn't changed since 1929 and found some postwar and was told to make them 'authentic' i just needed to remove the knee pads and the side cargo pockets. Kinda rang a bell the gentleman's comment about removing the pockets, but agreed, that's one more piece of kit that is gone from my kit as it's incorrect. Too brown and red.
I now own a pair made from Italian zelts, which I am happy with, with the bellows pocket on the front of the leg.
Agreed, some units I know allow the 'postwar' stuff in, and when I first started up, I didn't know enough about the Italian camo variants, I read somewhere that the pattern hadn't changed since 1929 and found some postwar and was told to make them 'authentic' i just needed to remove the knee pads and the side cargo pockets. Kinda rang a bell the gentleman's comment about removing the pockets, but agreed, that's one more piece of kit that is gone from my kit as it's incorrect. Too brown and red.
I now own a pair made from Italian zelts, which I am happy with, with the bellows pocket on the front of the leg.
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Drew Maynard
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I have a set made from a orginal Italian Zelt. Guys if you are not fimillar with the patterns check with someone before buying it, or at least converting it. The post war stuff is way off in the color department like Sepp said. Sepp does have a very informative web site on this but the bandwidth is low ( Sepp any news with that?). I was fortunante enough to see the site and study the picture sof the correct colors and them made the purchase of the zelt at a local gun / militaria show. I also double checked with Sepp, and then sent it off to Robb from G-Max ( Click on the site and you will see the pants he mde for me on his site). I can't recomend him enough!
Hessler
Hessler
Is this a good color?
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