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Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Johnnyrocket on 14 Nov 2012 03:49

Nice blue-print of the Göring home. (Source Unknown)

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby wwsoldatww on 15 Nov 2012 11:34

i hope you will like it
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Biber on 15 Nov 2012 14:50

wwsoldatww wrote:i hope you will like it

That's a great picture giving an overview of the behind the scenes world and it's orientation on the Obersalzberg.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Paulheald on 01 Jan 2013 09:42

A very interesting picture - thank you <wwsoldatww>. I find it hard to believe that this whole magnificent complex has just vanished into buried rubble. Would I be correct in assuming that the building shown at no 11 "Gastehotel Der Plattehof" is the present site of the so called "Documentation Center"?
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Mannheim on 01 Jan 2013 10:54

No, number 11 is not the Documentation Centre. The Documentation Centre is the former Guest House and is not visible as far as I can see from this panorama. From memory it's over the hill behind the Berghof. There are a number of photos of the Guest House on this very link. See here and ff:
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby WALKFARM on 01 Jan 2013 22:42

Johnnyrocket wrote:I agree—this Forum and this thread in particular has the worlds foremost experts participating.

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I HAVE FOLLOWED THIS FORUM AND THIS THREAD FOR SOME TIME. iTOO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE CONTRIBUTORS ARE PROBABLY THE THE WORLDS BEST EXPERTS ON THE BERGHOF OBERSALZBERG AREA.HAS ANY ONE ANY DETAILS OF THE DRAINAGE AND WASTE FROM THE BERGHOF AND THE OBERSALZBERG PRE 1945. WAS IT CONNECTED TO GO INTO THE TOWN OR WAS IT TREATED ON THE HILL ANYWHERE.I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY PLANTS OR SYSTEMS ON MY VISITS.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Paulheald on 02 Jan 2013 05:26

Thank you, Mannheim which sorts that one out for me. I also agree with Johnnyrocket's comment that this thread contains the very best of world-class historical information on the Berghof. There must also be a veritable treasure-trove of Berghof memorabilia in the USA.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Geoff Walden on 02 Jan 2013 10:33

Mannheim wrote:No, number 11 is not the Documentation Centre. The Documentation Centre is the former Guest House and is not visible as far as I can see from this panorama. From memory it's over the hill behind the Berghof. There are a number of photos of the Guest House on this very link. See here and ff:
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As I was looking over this photo, it suddenly occured to me - of all the numbered buildings shown - 16 total - only one is still standing, or even has any above-ground remains to be seen - the Hotel zum Türken (Nr. 16). :x

WALKFARM, that's a good question. I believe there was a Kläranlage (water treatment plant) associated with the Gutshof complex, but I don't know if all the OSB waste water was treated there or not.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby history1 on 02 Jan 2013 16:24

WALKFARM wrote:[...]
I HAVE FOLLOWED THIS FORUM AND THIS THREAD FOR SOME TIME. iTOO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE CONTRIBUTORS ARE PROBABLY THE THE WORLDS BEST EXPERTS ON THE BERGHOF OBERSALZBERG AREA.HAS ANY ONE ANY DETAILS OF THE DRAINAGE AND WASTE FROM THE BERGHOF AND THE OBERSALZBERG PRE 1945. WAS IT CONNECTED TO GO INTO THE TOWN OR WAS IT TREATED ON THE HILL ANYWHERE.I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY PLANTS OR SYSTEMS ON MY VISITS.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby *NL* on 03 Jan 2013 01:36

Mannheim wrote:No, number 11 is not the Documentation Centre. The Documentation Centre is the former Guest House and is not visible as far as I can see from this panorama. From memory it's over the hill behind the Berghof. There are a number of photos of the Guest House on this very link. See here and ff:
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The former Guest House, later Documentation Center, is indeed over the hill and not visable in this image.
The location is straight BEHIND nr 11, not at nr 11.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Steve Hoog on 03 Jan 2013 15:45

Geoff Walden wrote:As I was looking over this photo, it suddenly occured to me - of all the numbered buildings shown - 16 total - only one is still standing, or even has any above-ground remains to be seen - the Hotel zum Türken (Nr. 16). :x


Yes sir, you are correct! What a great picture, I only wish I could have seen these buildings as they were in the day.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Rornum on 06 Jan 2013 08:57

Hi all,
I am new to this forum but have studied this TR period extensively. I find myself asking what it is that causes me to be so interested in the Berghof as a site. I suppose it is the significance of the place as a historical marker of the highest degree.

So...a silly question. If AH and not the German state owned the parcel of land the home was built on....who owns it now?....Is it Bavarian or Federal property or could an individual claim it?....if they were crazy enough bearing in mind the history attached to it.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Steve Hoog on 06 Jan 2013 19:37

I do believe Bavaria owns it.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Postby Paulheald on 07 Jan 2013 10:24

I find the whole subject fascinating and wonder if, when the Germans get over their AH guilt phobia, they might excavate the Berghof site as an historical monument. I queried earlier on in this thread if the steps from the driveway to the entrance of the Berghof might still be there buried under rubble and earth. I think that I received a response from Geoff Walden saying that this was a strong possibility.

On a similar subject, but on another thread "The Reichkanzlei", a firm of Italian architects have drawn up a magnificent set of drawings of the Bunkers. The rationale being that this would be a vastly interesting tourist attraction, even if only partially restored. My guide during my last visit was roundly cursing the Russians and the DDR for flattening the site. He reckoned that he could charge 200 Euros a pop for an underground tour of the Bunker site and that there would be a queue down to the Brandenburg Gate! Likewise I am sure that if there were something other than a notice board and a lot of vegetation, the partially restored Berghof site would be another big tourist attraction.

I think that the Germans are starting to get over their AH guilt phobia, because I see that there is a book just out entitled "I'm Back". It is a lampoon based upon the supposition that AH went into a coma in 1945 and woke up in 2011. Apparently he was not at all pleased with what he saw, nor was he welcomed with open arms. So the Germans are starting to laugh at themselves, at long last!
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