Swastika - history and meaning

[HaEn]

[Split from Swastika trees...]

Second, it's a symbol of a vile, murderous regime. So there's that, too.

wrong !!!!!!!
The swastika was a worldwide ancient symbol of the sun
It was used to denote "WHICH " Sun was meant.
The one that came up in the east, had the crosslegs pointing to the right.
The one that came up in the WEST pointed to the left.
We now know that it was one and the same sun, only the earth had tumbled (as it has many times in its existance) and having "flipped" upside down, it just looked for ancient people that the sun came from a different direction; after the surface calamities had died down, by such an upheaval. During the 'upheavals it was not visible at all, because of the air contamination with dusts etc, that would circle the arth for years. (one of them took place in the exodus.
Mayan, Egyptian, Chinese, and Nordic, as well as oceaniac "word of muth history sources mentions several of these.
When the earth was thrown out of its course by the close passing of another celectial body, like a comet, or the comet (turning planet VENUS) or "the already a planet MARS, the calendars had to be changed, changed, and "directions of the quarters had to be determined anew.
For a shortened version of these events, Read Dr/Dr/Dr/Dr/Immanual Velikovski's "Worlds in Colission".
So whoever "used" or appropriated this symbol, did not make it bad. Only the use of it was bad.
We went through this before on this forum, buti think it would be good to understand where some of these "symbols" came from.
At present, if you visit a Japanese cemetary you will find many swastikas on the grave stones. They date often from the time before Uncle adolf.
HN

[Fait Accompli]

This is ridiculous. I don't dispute anything you wrote about the history of the swastika. But this particular swastika is in the middle of a forest in Germany and was planted, evidently, by an ardent Hitler supporter, during Nazi times. It wasn't planted as a symbol of the sun. Get real. The swastika in Germany means Nazism and today it's illegal. End of story.

[ghostsoldier]

Just where's is that gardener?

Rob

[Von Odine]

Re: The Swastika: "25 Years of Abuse does not erase 5000 years of History".

[ghostsoldier]

How about "Swastika Racks"....



You can find this geometric shape everywhere you look, if you try....
Rob

[Simon K]

However many clever "funny" little pics one can find of swastikas, the fact remains that the NAZI usage of this symbol has destroyed and perverted its original pacific benign image to people of the Hindu faith and others. Thats a crime against Hinduism as anything else.
Dont try to justify its existence in a 21st century Christian European context. And worse, do not try to equate the NAZI theft of the swastika with any innate qualities the symbol may have.

[Von Odine]

However many clever "funny" little pics one can find of swastikas, the fact remains that the NAZI usage of this symbol has destroyed and perverted its original pacific benign image to people of the Hindu faith and others. Thats a crime against Hinduism as anything else.
Dont try to justify its existence in a 21st century Christian European context. And worse, do not try to equate the NAZI theft of the swastika with any innate qualities the symbol may have.

Hear Hear! Not to mention the Buddhists, the American Indians, the Camp Fire Girls, the Coca-Cola Company and all the other users who got raped.

[ghostsoldier]

OK, you asked for it....more clever "funny" little pics....





And something from my favorite soft drink maker....

Rob

[Simon K]

Well that has advanced our knowledge

[Von Odine]

Well that has advanced our knowledge

Yeah...but I bet you didn't believe me about the CocaCola Company! Now where is that pic of young Jackie Bolivar (later Kennedy Onassis) in her swastika-bedecked Camp Fire outfit?

[Simon K]

So she was a NAZI too.
Does the swastika shape account for Kennedys back problems too? That would be dads genes.
Now it makes sense. You have indeed illuminated the past.

[Von Odine]

As Threatened

JackieSwaz.jpg

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[Simon K]

All thats ok
Thanks for pics. Well found.

[der Rote Kampfflieger]

The use of the Swastika in non-fascist, non-racist, non-NSDAP context has been around for centuries; not only in Asia, but in Europe itself as late as the 9th Century. Germanic tribes during the Germanic migration period and the Viking age, used the Swastika as a symbol of faith in Thor, and the sword Mjolnir. The swastika symbol was not only native to the Germanic tribes, but existant in Slavic, Scandinavian and many of the other ethnic groups and pagan mythology.

The Hakenkreuz as it came to be known, was a symbol of a continuing tradition of the mythology that Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, and the Third Reich attempted to bestow upon the German people. As attuning the tradition of the Aryan Race, bringing the Germanic people together into a psuedo-religion based on racialist theories and strict adherence to National Socialist rhetoric.

Unlike the early European or Asian, First Nations (North and South American) usage of the symbol, the Hakenkreuz, is clearly rotated at a specific angle, giving it a aggressive look, especially when the NSDAP decided to put it on a red flag with the usage of black, white and red, traditional imperial colours of Germany, and truly "terrifying" colours, that spread fear, respect.

I think, the fact remains that while the Swastika, may have been around for centuries, and even if Hitler made his decision based on its former use by the Germanic tribes, it has none the less, created a symbolism of hate. Much like the number 88, the Celtic Cross, the Fasces, Wolfsangel, have that same connotation, no matter what meaning it may have ever held prior to its adoption by the Fascists in Italy or the NSDAP in the Third Reich. They are none the less, associated, for right or wrong, with hatred, racism, bigotry.

I think, due to that nature, countries in Europe have a right to uphold the ban on the Swastika, no matter what connotation it may hold in the rest of the World. This, symbol, became the symbolism of millions of dead. I think, any debate on whether people should be allowed to wear it openly and proudly is ridiculous.

To me, the Swastika, stands for the death of millions and because of that, I do not see it as a symbol of anything but the destruction of people all across the world. It continues to be held in high esteem by those who fester the perverted views of Nazi Germany. That hate it symbolizes is enough, for the Swastika to be forever symbolised with murder.

[Simon K]

Totally agree with that.