operation valkyrie

[iKilby]

what if they killed hitler? do you think from the movie the plan they picked would have worked? i just wanted to see what you guys think. please reply thanks!
Long Live Sacred Germany!

[ManfredV]

It´s a "What-if-Question". I don´t know what plan or tactic is mentioned in the movie.
I think, if they killed Hitler, a lot of Wehrmacht leaders would have helped them. But there might have been a big fight between Wehrmacht and SS with many dead, because Himmler and the other Nazis had nothing to lose.

[iKilby]

thanks

[reichpilot]

What exactly do you mean by your statement, "Long Live Secret Germany!"?

[Ecam]

what if they killed hitler? do you think from the movie the plan they picked would have worked? i just wanted to see what you guys think. please reply thanks!

Civil war, with the Wehrmacht and SS as the leading protagonists.

[ghostsoldier]

What exactly do you mean by your statement, "Long Live Secret Germany!"?

That was my question, also.....
Rob

[Steve Wilcox]

What exactly do you mean by your statement, "Long Live Secret Germany!"?

That was my question, also.....
Rob

I'm assuming he misheard the "Long Live Sacred Germany!" line from the movie...

[ghostsoldier]

Ah, yes, Steve....that would explain much!
Rob

[Recon Skittles]

Ah, yes, Steve....that would explain much!
Rob

Hey the topic is not about "Long live Sacred Germny!". It's about Operation Valkyrie. So if you don't mind could we please stay on topic. Thanks!

[phylo_roadking]

"Long Live Secret Germany"

Why are you assuming THIS is the mistake??? "Secret Germany" - "Geheimes Deutschland" It comes from a poem by Stefan George -

George's late and seminal work, Das neue Reich (The New Empire), was published in 1928. He dedicated the work, including the Geheimes Deutschland ("Secret Germany") written in 1922, to Berthold Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg (who in 1944 took part in the 20 July plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler). It outlines a new form of society ruled by hierarchical spiritual aristocracy. George rejected any attempts to use it for mundane political purposes, especially National Socialism.

...and is an all-over reference term used by some of the plotters to the whole dissident movement's philosophical origins in the Third Reich.

[reichpilot]

Ah, yes, Steve....that would explain much!
Rob

Hey the topic is not about "Long live Sacred Germny!". It's about Operation Valkyrie. So if you don't mind could we please stay on topic. Thanks!

Hey Recon ...... Open your mind as to WHY someone would question that statement in a post. Also, please do not do the work of a moderator until it states so under your name.

Topic: My understanding is that while some things would have changed, others would not. The Jewish question would probably not have. The killing would have continued. I do not have proof of this, but rather picked up on this opinion during a debate between two German History professors that I had.

Don

[ghostsoldier]

Hey Recon ...... Open your mind as to WHY someone would question that statement in a post. Also, please do not do the work of a moderator until it states so under your name.

Thanks, Don.
Rob

[British Sapper]

If Hitler had been assassinated, there would have been a class war within the NSDAP party,state, and country.

The officers always despised 'that gefreiter'.

Hitler and his followers hated the upper officer class/junkers.

National socialism was always an unsteady alliance.

[phylo_roadking]

In the event of an assasination - it would have been a jockeying for position power between THREE institutions - the Army, the NSDAP and the "security agencies" for want of a better word - the SS/Gestapo/W-SS. No SINGLE one of those would be able to grab hold of enough of Germany and its reins both for themselves AND away from the others to be in stable control...a single group could always be eliminated by cooperation between the other two - but none of the three are completely 100% compatible allies

Thus - it would have been an almost carbon copy of the 1960's USSR - a "troika", a constantly shifting dynamic between Red Army, KGB and Communist Party.

[Roderick]

the men who tried to kill Hitler were a band of opportunists and insignificants.
they only searched to protect their self-interests...

regards for all,

RodErick