Sail Against England & Norway

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Sail Against England & Norway

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Post by JLEES » 14 May 2016, 13:54

What would "Denn Wir fahren Gegen England! Um Zehn Stunden Zuvorgekommen!" mean? I'm translating this as "Because we sail against England! Preempted by 10-hours!" It was published in 1940 during the early part of the war. It also appears to have something to do with the German invasion of Norway.
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Re: Sail Against England & Norway

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Post by ManfredV » 14 May 2016, 17:07

Probably refering to operation "Weserübung" - german occupation of Danemark and Norway. German propaganda claimed (or was is really so?) that Great Britain also was planing to occupy Norway but Germany was faster.


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Post by JLEES » 14 May 2016, 17:31

Hello Manfred,
I'm positive it does in fact relate to"Weserübung", but don't understand the "Preempted by 10-hours!" part. Am I translating it wrong?

I remember reading that the Germans claimed the British had planned to invade Norway first and they arrived shortly before. Could the "Preempted 10-hours" be the time period before the British were to have invaded?
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Post by ManfredV » 14 May 2016, 19:29

Yes, I think german propaganda claimed "we were 10 hours earlier".

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Post by JLEES » 14 May 2016, 19:36

Thanks! Would my translation be okay? "Because we sail against England! Preempted by 10-hours!" Or, do you think there is a better way to say this?

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Post by ManfredV » 15 May 2016, 11:08

Thank You for this picture! A viking ship with swastika...what an absurd idea.

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Post by JLEES » 15 May 2016, 11:46

Yes, I'm sure they were trying to connect to their alleged Aryan roots, or maybe hark-back to the days when the Vikings were raiding England for plunder. When I purchased the item, I had no idea what its subject was about and was surprised it related to the Denmark and Norway operation. However, the thing that caught me off guard was the "preemptive 10-hours" part of the text. Nevertheless, the swastika on this ship is interesting. I wonder what the Germans were thinking of these images at the time?

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Re: Sail Against England & Norway

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Post by Max » 23 May 2016, 09:34

ManfredV wrote: A viking ship with swastika...what an absurd idea.
On the contrary.
While it is obvious that the swastika / fylfot depicted is of the TR pattern, it is quite likely that a variation of this ancient symbol was
displayed on the sail of a Viking long boat.
The symbol was widely known in Northern Europe [including Anglo Saxon England]
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Viking Sword with Silver inlay of Fylfots
9th Century CE, Scandinavia

Take your pick as to the possible actual design.
http://www.odinsvolk.ca/fylfot.htm
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Post by ManfredV » 23 May 2016, 18:07

I meant especially the Nazi swastika, not old symbols. Of it was widely spread and there are even swastikas in an "norway style" church in Hahnenklee/Harz which was built 1907/08.
But it is absurd that the Nazis used it as a symbol for theit attack against nordic states.

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Post by Max » 24 May 2016, 16:07

ManfredV wrote:I meant especially the Nazi swastika, not old symbols. Of it was widely spread and there are even swastikas in an "norway style" church in Hahnenklee/Harz which was built 1907/08.
But it is absurd that the Nazis used it as a symbol for theit attack against nordic states.
I think I must have misunderstood you -sorry about that.
Perhaps they thought that their swastika looked friendly :)
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Post by ManfredV » 24 May 2016, 16:48

Well, historic viking invasions to England were succesful, maybe the nazis thought it could be a kind of talisman for their invasion fleet :)
But I think this medal wasn't an oficial matter. Probably it is a kind of curious kitsch made by a private mind for medals.

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Post by JLEES » 30 May 2016, 00:45

The swastika on the Viking sword that Max sent is reversed from the style the Nazis used. Maybe with Denmark and Norway occupied the Nazis were making a wishful statement that England would be next country to be occupied by depicting the Viking ship bearing a swastika sail? The artist seems to be harking back to the Medieval days when they were raiding England.

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Post by Max » 30 May 2016, 09:29

JLEES wrote:The swastika on the Viking sword that Max sent is reversed from the style the Nazis used. .
If you look carefully you will see that the sword hilt has swastikas/fylfots of both left and right varieties in an alternating pattern.

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Post by JLEES » 30 May 2016, 10:24

Interesting! I didn't see the variations. Thanks,
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Post by Stephan » 12 Jun 2016, 14:27

I wonder if they didnt meant an attack on England itself. Wasnt there a tale, they did had a Window of about 10 hours, before the british Grand Fleet from Scapa Flow arrived? So if they were to be succesfull, they must get a good bridgehead before the great ships come, and also safe both airports and some of the coastal batteries, during these crucial 10 hours...
That plan was widely known, and part of the British strategy too...

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