Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Biber » 18 Oct 2014, 16:57

Annelie wrote: then I wondered if they had beds
Would that not be what the Kaserne on the other side of the hill was for?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Annelie » 18 Oct 2014, 18:52

Would that not be what the Kaserne on the other side of the hill was for?
Of course, it was just me trying to imagine what is inside.
I presume maybe an desk and day time/schedule to keep track of all
the goings and comings of traffic people etc?

That would be an interesting read just the study of the traffic.


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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Timo-T » 18 Oct 2014, 19:10

Annelie wrote: Now I wonder did one architect plan them or one contruction company make them all?
I meen, the architect Roderich Fick had planed the Torhaus near the Gästehaus. Maybe the others too?
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Post by Annelie » 18 Oct 2014, 19:31

Thanks Timo, I tried to so some searching to quest my curiosity but really didn't find anything
but it would make sense.

Did find some other works of Fick.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... erich_Fick

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Post by Timo-T » 18 Oct 2014, 21:40

Look here Annelie:
a nice pdf file of the Wachhaus Obersalzberg http://www.stbats.bayern.de/imperia/md/ ... rg_pdf.pdf
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Post by Annelie » 18 Oct 2014, 23:01

Very nice Timo.

So we see it was Fick.

I quite like the architecture he considered the landscape and others
In the area.

Perhaps that is an Deutsch stove/fireplace?
Can't quite understand what it can be?

Thankyou kind of interesting, just another detail that fits into the whole picture of the area.

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Post by Timo-T » 19 Oct 2014, 08:34

Annelie wrote: Perhaps that is an Deutsch stove/fireplace?
Can't quite understand what it can be?
Yes it is a fireplace. In Germany we say "Kachelofen". It is a fireplace like the green one at the Berghof.
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Post by Annelie » 19 Oct 2014, 14:33

Thankyou Timo. It looked quite large in the plans so I wasn't sure.

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Post by Geoff Walden » 20 Oct 2014, 17:31

This is the only mage that I can recall seeing that was taken inside one of the Obersalzberg SS guard houses, and it unfortunately doesn't show much. This photo is from Florentine Hamm's book Obersalzberg - Wanderungen zwischen Gestern und Heute (Munich, 1937, 5th ed.), and was taken on the occasion of a visit of a BDM group from Nürnberg to the OSB. They waited for five hours at the main guard house below the Berghof (Torhaus Berghof) on a wintry afternoon and evening, hoping to see Hitler. They had not eaten since before noon, and the guards gave them some money to eat at an Imbiß at the Platterhof, but no-one wanted to leave and miss the chance to see Hitler. Finally Hitler came down and met the girls at the gate, then he opened the gate and invited them all into the guard house to get photos autographed, which is when this photo was taken.
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Post by Geoff Walden » 20 Oct 2014, 17:53

Some views of some of the tiled heaters (Kachelofen) in the Berghof.

The original main living room in Haus Wachenfeld had a large green Kachelofen. This was replaced in the Berghof by a large lighter green version, with tiles hand painted by Sofie Stork (at least part of one of these tiles exists today in a private collection).
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Upstairs in Hitler's office was this round Kachelofen, also a light green color. One of these original decorated tiles also still exists (Fort Campbell, Kentucky, Museum, USA).
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The "Hess Room" above Hitler's office had this Kachelofen, which is usually shown in this rust color in colorized B/W photos (as this is).
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The Kachelofen in "Haus Walden" (well, it's really a Kamin). (Sorry! I couldn't resist, while on the subject. :milwink:
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by Annelie » 20 Oct 2014, 18:19

Thankyou guys,

I am now well versed on Kachelofen and Kamin.

What is the real difference? Both are fireplaces No?

Lovely home Geoff. Kind of makes me want to bake cookies lol..

These guards houses must have had sort of day books which recorded the goings
on? I would hope or like think that there maybe some record left of all the goings
on, who and time? - on the mountain.

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Post by Geoff Walden » 20 Oct 2014, 20:09

Maybe someone who knows for sure can jump in and give correct info, but I am under the impression that a Kachelofen is loaded from the back or side, into a firebox that is then closed, and you don't actually see the flames. While a Kamin is loaded through a glass door in the front, so that you see the wood as it burns. But I'm not entirely sure ...

That "Kachelkamin" belongs to my landlord ... I'm just the renter. :milsmile:

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Post by Timo-T » 21 Oct 2014, 07:55

Geoff Walden wrote:but I am under the impression that a Kachelofen is loaded from the back or side, into a firebox that is then closed, and you don't actually see the flames. While a Kamin is loaded through a glass door in the front, so that you see the wood as it burns. But I'm not entirely sure...
Thats right! A Kachelofen is closed. You do not see the fire. But it hold the heat much longer then a normal "Ofen" without the "Kacheln".
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by CPB » 21 Oct 2014, 12:19

Does anyone have a definitive date for when the US 45th Infantry Division reached the Berghof?

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

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Post by CPB » 21 Oct 2014, 12:41

A 'then and now' shot you've probably never seen before...

The top photo was taken in the Great Hall in May 1941, the one below...earlier this month. Same tablecloth, 73 years later.
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