The SS inspiration from Hitler's signature

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The SS inspiration from Hitler's signature

Postby okw » 21 Nov 2004, 03:43

Hi

posted this elsewhere but here may be a better place.

The SS invented their own name but where did the design come from? Was it Hitler's idea? If not, he was not from from being used as a source for the shape of the S's...

Notice the shape of the name Adolf.
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Postby Karl » 21 Nov 2004, 03:45

They are runes.

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Postby Doggowitz » 21 Nov 2004, 03:45

The S in SS is a Nordic Rune (Sigrune).

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Postby okw » 21 Nov 2004, 04:42

The Sig-Rune or Siegrune was symbolic of victory. In 1932 SS man Walter Heck an employee of the badge manufacturer firm of Ferdinand Hoffstatter drew two sig-runes side by side and the rest, so to speak, is history.

Good website:

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/8514/runes.html

Oh, well, still a strange coincidence.

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Postby P-51 Baby » 22 Nov 2004, 00:15

okw wrote:
The Sig-Rune or Siegrune was symbolic of victory. In 1932 SS man Walter Heck an employee of the badge manufacturer firm of Ferdinand Hoffstatter drew two sig-runes side by side and the rest, so to speak, is history.

Good website:

http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/8514/runes.html

Oh, well, still a strange coincidence.


Thanks for the link... highly interesting... :)

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Postby jmh8300 » 29 Nov 2004, 15:42

According to Robin Lumsden's book "Himmler's Black Order" P146:

"The Sig-Rune (also known as the Siegrune) was symbolic of victory. In 1931, SS Sturmführer Walter Heck, who was a graphic desginer employed by the badge manufacturing firm of Ferdinand Hoffstätter in Bonn, drew two Sig-Runes side by side and thus created the ubiquitous "SS Runes" insignia widely used by all branches of the organisation after 1933. The SS paid him 2.50 Reichsmarks for the rights to his design! Heck was also responsible for the "SA Runes" badge, which combined a runic 'S' with a Gothic 'A'."

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Postby Karl » 01 Dec 2004, 03:29

It always struck me how very ‘modern’ the design (still) looks.

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ss runes

Postby at6 » 01 Dec 2004, 08:30

when I was a teenager, and the rock band KISS first made it big, I read an interview with Gene Simmons, one of its members. Queried about the KISS logo, which used two S's very siilar to the SS runes,he claimed he designed the distinctive SS portion of the logo.

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Postby maxxx » 01 Dec 2004, 15:02

Kiss used a different logo in Germany (without the runes).

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Postby Matthew Jordan » 05 Dec 2004, 10:43

maxxx wrote:Kiss used a different logo in Germany (without the runes).


Which can only lead us to one conclusion: why would he purposely design it this way and further, it altered for the German audiences?

Am I missing something?

curiously,
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Postby Karl » 07 Dec 2004, 04:18

It is curious because his (GS) family background is in fact Jewish. Maybe just plain rebellion. His lifestyle was certainly not pious. :)

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Postby maxxx » 07 Dec 2004, 18:16

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Which can only lead us to one conclusion: why would he purposely design it this way and further, it altered for the German audiences?

Am I missing something?

curiously,
Gerd[/quote]

Yes. Showing the SS-runes is illegal in germany. He would neither be allowed to show posters nor records with this logo. (Bad bad for making money.....)

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Postby Daniel L » 07 Dec 2004, 21:06

As a side note the Kiss logo has handdrawn runes and are not the same as the SS-runes.

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