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Re: Gauleiter Questions and Answers

Postby Mark Costa on 04 Nov 2009 19:18

Pitimo:

On Habicht his appointment to the "zbV der Reichsleitung" actually dates from much earlier --sometime in 1933. It was at this time that he wore the collar tabs of what is called the "reichsorganizationleiter". These were reserved for those attached to reichsleitung depts. In late 1933 they were abolished. Habicht was still attached to the reichsleitung, but now he was allowed to wear the honorary/retired tabs of a gauleiter. The "title" of these tabs were universally know as Honorary/Retired, but they also were used to denote those few men attached to the reichsleitung without a "position". Why they used these tabs I have not been able to ascertain. So of all those who wore these BLACK tabs --some are Honorary (Krebs), some are Retired (Kube) and some were these zbV guys like Habicht.

In regards to the gaufuhrer vs gauleiter titles -- I agree with Phil that I believe this was an Austrian "illegal" title and you will find it was used mostly before 1930. Remember all titles etc used in Austria before May 1938 was never recognized by the NSDAP in Munich.

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Re: Gauleiter Questions and Answers

Postby Pitino on 04 Nov 2009 21:48

Mark Costa wrote:Pitimo:

On Habicht his appointment to the "zbV der Reichsleitung" actually dates from much earlier --sometime in 1933. It was at this time that he wore the collar tabs of what is called the "reichsorganizationleiter". These were reserved for those attached to reichsleitung depts. In late 1933 they were abolished. Habicht was still attached to the reichsleitung, but now he was allowed to wear the honorary/retired tabs of a gauleiter. The "title" of these tabs were universally know as Honorary/Retired, but they also were used to denote those few men attached to the reichsleitung without a "position". Why they used these tabs I have not been able to ascertain. So of all those who wore these BLACK tabs --some are Honorary (Krebs), some are Retired (Kube) and some were these zbV guys like Habicht.

In regards to the gaufuhrer vs gauleiter titles -- I agree with Phil that I believe this was an Austrian "illegal" title and you will find it was used mostly before 1930. Remember all titles etc used in Austria before May 1938 was never recognized by the NSDAP in Munich.

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Mark,
-Thanks for the information!!! So Habicht was actually given the z.b.V. appointment in 1933. Thanks for the correction as well!!! As I was saying earlier, I thought the Gaufuhrer title was an Austrian thing. The only men that I have come across that were appointed Gaufuhrer were the Austrians and like you said about the time period, it seems to be before 1930. I know the titles were not recognized in Austria until after the Anschluss, but I wonder why one man can be titled a Gaufuhrer while another man in another district at the same time was given the title of Gauleiter. Maybe I am being too picky about the difference in titles!!!! Thanks again!!!

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Re: Gauleiter Questions and Answers

Postby Pitino on 05 Nov 2009 05:17

-If anyone can help fill in the missing appointment dates to the Honorary Gauleiters list then please help out!!!! Most of my dates come from Forum member Mark Costa and this is what I have so far:

-Ehrenhalber Gauleiters- (Honorary Gauleiters)
-1.-Herbert Albrecht- ( ? )- Gauleiter z.b.V. (for Special Duties) in the Reichsleitung der NSDAP
-2.-Andreas Bolek-
-3.-Walter Gottschalk-
-4.-Theo Habicht- (Appointed 1933)- Gauleiter z.b.V. to the Reichsleitung der NSDAP
-5.-Paul Hinkler- (Appointed January 19,1931)- Gauleiter z.D. (at Disposal) to the Reichsleitung der NSDAP
-6.-Josef Leopold-
-7.-Alfred Proksch- (Appointed July 1934)- Gauleiter (ehrenhalber)
-8.-Josef Adamczyk-
-9.-Bernhard Rust- ( ? )- Honorary/Retired
-10.-Wilhelm Kube- ( ? )- Honorary/Retired
-11.-Walther von Corswant- (Appointed 1931)- Gauleiter z.b.V. - (1938)- Gauleiter (ehrenhalber)
-12.-Hans Krebs- (April 26,1938)- Gauleiter der NSDAP (ehrenhalber)
-13.-Rudolf Jung- (June 15,1938)- Gauleiter der NSDAP (ehrenhalber)
-14.-Friedrich Ringhausen-
-15.-Alfred Frauenfeld-

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Re: Gauleiter Questions and Answers

Postby Phil Nix on 06 Nov 2009 12:19

Re above list;
Herbert Albrecht Gauleiter Mecklenberg 2.1930 - 31.1.31
Andreas Bolek Gauleiter (Austria) Oberosterreich 30.6.1928 - 1.8.1934
Josef Leopold Gauleiter (Austria) Niededrosterreich 29.8.1927 - 31.2.1938
Alfred Proksch Gauleiter (Austria) Oberosterreich 29.8.26 - 7.1928
Josef Adamczyk ((later name changed to Adams) Gauleiter Untergau Niederschlesien 18.3.1925 - 1.8.1931
Walter von Corswant Gauleiter Pommern 1.8.1927 - 1.4.1931
Friedrich Ringhausen Gauleiter Hessen Darmstadt 1.3.27 - 9.1.1931
Wilhelm Kube Gauleiter Ostmark 2.1.28 - 6.3.1933
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Re: Gauleiter Questions and Answers

Postby Pitino on 13 Nov 2009 01:49

Mark or anyone,
-I have come across the year 1934 as the year Andreas Bolek was appointed to an Honorary Gauleiter. To get more specific I have the date as July 25,1934. Do you know if this is correct?

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Re: Gauleiter Questions and Answers

Postby Phil Nix on 13 Nov 2009 11:56

Bolek was appointed 'Beurlabter Gauleiter der NSDAP 1.8.34 - 11.1937
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Re: Gauleiter Questions and Answers

Postby Pitino on 13 Nov 2009 16:14

Phil Nix wrote:Bolek was appointed 'Beurlabter Gauleiter der NSDAP 1.8.34 - 11.1937
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Phil,
-If Bolek was suspended for more than 3 years then when was his Honorary Gauleiter appointment date? Before or after the suspension?

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Re: Gauleiter Questions and Answers

Postby Phil Nix on 15 Nov 2009 11:36

He was Stellvertreter Gauleiter Gau Ober-Österreich 11.5.1926 - 30.6.28 Gauleiter Ober-Österreich 30.6.28 - 1.8.34 He was succeeded by Karl Scharizer
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Re: Gauleiter Questions and Answers

Postby Pitino on 15 Nov 2009 17:28

Phil Nix wrote:He was Stellvertreter Gauleiter Gau Ober-Österreich 11.5.1926 - 30.6.28 Gauleiter Ober-Österreich 30.6.28 - 1.8.34 He was succeeded by Karl Scharizer
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Phil,
-If Bolek was a Gauleiter from (June 30,1928-August 1,1934) and a Beurlaubter Gauleiter from (August 1,1934-November 1937) then his Honorary Gauleiter date would have to be after November 1937. More than likely it was in 1938 after the Anschluss (I am guessing). Thanks for the info!!!

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