Goebbels smokes Hitler??

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Re: Goebbels smokes Hitler??

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Post by Kristian S. » 26 Jan 2009, 12:03

He's defenitely smoking. The cigarette overlaps the middle finger. So it is not a reflection.

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Re: Goebbels smokes Hitler??

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Post by von Brackwede » 02 Feb 2009, 23:57

I agree with Helly Angel - JG is not smoking in this picture. It's light/reflection or something from the background.

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Post by Helly Angel » 03 Feb 2009, 01:39

Goebbels did never smoke in public, or in front of Hitler or others Leaders of the NSDAP. It was forbidden smoke in NSDAP activities and of course one of the most highest leaders of the party never will smoke in a place like that.

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Post by J. Duncan » 03 Feb 2009, 02:01

"Helly" also said JG didn't smoke at all...the above video refutes that view...one thing's for certain, the photo has stirred a debate. If he wasn't smoking in it, you know he probably forbade it's publication.

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Post by justdesserts » 30 Mar 2009, 23:05

Steved400 wrote:I might agree, one finger does look like it's in his mouth.

Take another look. Goebbels is ready to take a puff. His posture is identical to millions of tobacco addicts when getting a nicotine fix.

If that isn't convincing look closer at the picture. How can his middle finger get BEHIND the "reflection" from the glass on the picture??? And it looks like there is an ash on the end of the "reflection."


Hitler's "case file" reads like a clinician’s worst nightmare: raging tempers, manic highs, grandiose and psychotic delusions, paranoia, homicidal behavior, extravagantly reckless actions, gloomy depression, and contemptuous disregard for others.

From what I've read everyone in Hitler's inner circle had some kind of serious mental illness, ranging from homicidal inferiority complexes to vicious sadism. Suffice to say they were all sick puppies, from Göring who had to hide behind a morphine addiction to keep going to Goebbels who was trying to compensate for a clubbed foot and a gigantic inferiority complex.

They grouped together because they recognized each others madness and could feel comfortable in Hitler's coterie. No fear of being outed as a dope addict when your accuser had even worse baggage to account for. No fear of being criticized for any short coming so long as they remained true to Der Fuhrer. No fear of lighting up in front of the Führer so long as it did not embarrass him publicly.

Hitler had to abide their shortcomings because they were the only people he could comfortably relate to. All others were kept at a distance.

Goebbels did not fear smoking around Hitler because he was part of the in crowd. Outsiders were the ones in fear of lighting up around Hitler— they might suffer a quick assignment to the Eastern Front if Der Fuhrer was in a bad mood. Hitler's inner circle had nothing to fear so long as they maintained full loyalty to him.

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Post by Helly Angel » 31 Mar 2009, 20:46

justdesserts wrote:
Steved400 wrote:...
Take another look. Goebbels is ready to take a puff. His posture is identical to millions of tobacco addicts when getting a nicotine fix...
Sources please.

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Post by at6 » 31 Mar 2009, 22:21

I believe it to be a reflection

look at the middle finger. it appears as if it is alongside the base of the lower lip, and the reflection projects above it, thus giving the appearance of PJG holding a cigarette

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Post by Harri » 01 Apr 2009, 00:17

Looks like Göbbels is smoking.

There is at least one interesting occasion where Hitler literaly had to be eat smoke for a short while. This happened on 4.6.1942 when Hitler visited in Finland at Field Marshal Mannerheim's 75th birthday. This was also filmed. After the meal in a train Mannerheim takes a cigar from his pocket and IIRC some of the German Tofficers (Keitel?) offers light. It is clearly seen that Mannerheim blows the cigar smoke directly to Hitler's face. As far it is known Mannerheim was told not to smoke with Hitler but either forgot this advice or just didn't care (showing he is the boss here).T

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Post by sobel » 01 Apr 2009, 10:15

I don't know if this helps or not

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Post by von Brackwede » 01 Apr 2009, 17:26

It's a reflection, just look at the white light part. Probably the mirror or due to the camera.

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Post by BlauDivision » 06 Apr 2009, 00:09

It seems there is a little ashtray near to Goebbels.
I think he was really smoking,please note his relaxing position ,not appropiate to be in front of the Führer.
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Post by at6 » 06 Apr 2009, 07:39

I do not think that is an ashtray.
It appears to be a plate for the fruit

Looks like there is another plate just behind AH as well

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Post by Helly Angel » 10 Apr 2009, 03:32

JG did smoke but there are not evidence he did it in front of A. Hitler.

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Post by J. Duncan » 10 Apr 2009, 03:42

If we eventually know for certain that it's a reflection and not a cigarette (it's not looking like we will) - what a photograph!! If a reflection, amazing that the camera would deceive the eye as it has.

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