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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby Zsasz on 12 Dec 2009 14:45

Now here is the eye-witness account of Meissner in the original German; I'll add a translation of some key-passages in a few moments and of less important passages on request, if somone is extremly avid to learn their contents:

Junge Jahre im Reichspräsidentenpalais:
• S. 373: Erst spät wird es dunkel, wenn der Monat Juni zu Ende geht. So kann jeder von uns Motormännern die schwarzen Autos bemerken, die mit lauten Signalen in den Hof fahren. SS-Kommandos in Geländewagen rollen voraus u hinterher. Die Kolonne bremst vorm Hauptgebäude der Kadettenanstalt. Dort sind teile der LS untergebracht, ebenso auch die Büros, das Kasino u was sonst noch zu einem Stab gehört. Aus etwa dreißig Schritt Entfernung kann ich sehen, wiem n hohe SA-Führer u auch Zivilsten ins Gebäude bringt. Gefesselt sind die inhaftierten nicht, es wird auch keiner mit gezückter Pistole bedroht. Als ob es sich um eine Besprechung handelt, so sieht es aus.
• Nur fünf bis zehn Minuten, bestimmt nicht länger bleiben sie in dem Gebäude. Im Licht späterer Erkenntnis ist die nur kurze zeit bedeutend. Der Wahrheit zuwider hat man bald danach im Radio verkündet u in der presse verbreitet, man habe die verhafteten vor einem Standgericht vernommen. Erstmal wurden ihre Personalien geprüft, alsdann habe man sie mit den Beschuldigungen konfrontiert. Verteidiger standen ihnen zur Seite, u jeder verdächtige konnte seine Lesart der dinge vorbringen. Danach wurden die urteile gesprochen ohne Ausnahme wurde der Tod durch erschießen bestimmt. Alles sei rechtmäßig zugegangen, so die späteren Behauptungen nach kriegsrecht versteht sich, weil sich ja der Staat im Notstand befand.
• So kann es unmöglich gewesen sein. Darüber hätten stunden vergehen müssen, schon weil es sich in Lichtefelde um 20 bis 25, vielleicht sogar 30 Opfer gehandelt hat. Wa wirklich während jener wenigen Minuten geschah, ist mir Sicherheit nicht zu sagen. Schon gleich wurden die Männer wieder herausgebracht u einer nach dem anderen in Automobile gesetzt.
• Schnell fuhren die Wagen in die hintere rechte Ecke des Geländes. Dort befand sich das Lazarett auf der einen und die Kirche der ehemaligen Kadettenanstalt auf der anderen Seite. Dazwischen eine Lücke von etwa 10 Metern, zur Strasse hin war das Gelände von Umfassungsmauern der Anstalt begrenzt. Sie bestand wie alle übrigen Bauten aus ziegelrotem Backstein. Meines Erachtens war die Ziegelmauer drei Meter hoch. Davor ein freier Platz, der früher zur Versammlung der Kadetten für den Gang in die Kirche gedient hatte.
• Weil an jenem schrecklichen Tag so viele Wagen und auch Männer die sicht auf die mauer versperrten, habe ich nicht gleich begriffen, was dort vor sich ging. Schüsse knallten, viele Gewehre schossen zur gleichen Zeit. Natürlich war die Leibstandarte, was das schießen betrifft, vorzüglich ausgebildet. Sicher wäre es besser gewesen, ich hätte mich in einen dunklen Winkel verzogen. Aber die Neugier ist größer gewesen. Was dort geschah, wollte ich wissen. Hinterher wurde mir klar, dass ich überhaupt nicht gedacht hatte, nur automatisch reagierte, ganz ähnlich wie es all die umherstehenden taten. Es gab keine Absperrung. Schon als die erste Salve krachte, lehnten rieb u ich mit dem Rücken gegen einen Lkw. Andere standen neben uns u davor u dahinter. Da sah ich zu meinem nicht geringen entsetzen, wer das Feuerkommando gab, nämlich mein alter Freund Buzzi Bittner. Kalkweiss war er im Gesicht u schrie sehr laut. Gerade kam wieder ein Wagen mit 2 Braunen u einem Zivilisten. Den ersten SA-Führer habe ich sofort erkannt, es war der Gauleiter von Berlin, Karl Ernst. In seiner linken Jackentasche trug er ein paar Zeitungen. Offenbar war es ihm bis zu diesem Augenblick nicht klar, was unmittelbar bevorstand. Er reit die Mütze vom Kopf u schreit, was das denn heißen soll, ob die Kameraden verrückt geworden seien, nicht das Geringste habe er verbrochen! Sturmführer Bittner ruft ihm zu, er solle gefälligst Haltung bewahren.
• Weder werden dem Gauleiter Ernst fesseln angelegt, noch verbindet man ihm die Augen. Er gehorcht automatisch, dem Befehl, sich mit dem Rücken an die Wand zu stellen kurz bevor Bittner „Gebt Feuer ! ruft hebt ernst den rechten arm in die höhe u ruft es lebe der Führer.
• Er bricht vornüber zusammen, zuckt noch mit den Beinen. Zwei Männer de ls packen seine Arme u schliefen ihn über den Kiesbelag ins ehemalige Lazarett. Das sieht meines Erinnerns noch brutaler, noch schrecklicher aus als die Hinrichtung selber.
• Kaum ist das geschehen, steht das nächste Opfer an der wand. Wieder kommandiert Bittner „legt…an“ u gleich danach: „gebt Feuer“. Der verurteilte dreht sich um seine Achse, fällt hin u wirf auf ebenso scheußliche art wie sein Vorgänger ins Lazarett geschleift. Der nächste ist ein Zivilist. Lebhaft gestikuliert er mit beiden Händen, ruft von einer Verwechselung…er sei gar nicht gemeint…man solle doch bitte auf ihn hören…Gebt Feuer schon ist er ausgelöscht. Wirklich war es eine Verwechslung, man hatte den falschen Mann erschossen!

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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby Zsasz on 12 Dec 2009 15:14

Central passage from the Meissner Memoirs with reagards to the Lichterfelde shootings:

"Since a great many cars and also some men were blocking my view at the wall, I did not immediately realise what was going on in that area. Shots were banging. A multitude of guns were firing simultaneously. Naturally the Leibstandarte was excellently trained when it came to shooting. Probably it would have been more sensible for me to seek some dark corner. However, my curiosity prevailed. I wanted to know what was going on there. With hindsight I realised that I did not think at all but rather acted automatically, pretty much like all the other people standing around watching. There was no barrier separating the execution area. As the first salvo was ringing my friend Rieb and I were leaning on a lorry with our backs. Others were standing next to us as well as before and behind us.
All of a sudden, to my horror, I got to see the man giving the command to shoot: I was no other than my old Friend Buzzi Bittner (name changed). His face was pale as chalk and he was bwaling in a loud voice. Right that moment another car arrived bringing two brown-shirts and one civilian. The first one I recognised at once, it was the Gauleiter [correct: the SA-Führer] of Berlin, Karl Ernst. In his left chest-pocket he was carrying some newspapers. Apparently he did not know what was in store for him until that very moment. He took of his cap and shouted at the SS-men what that was supposed to mean, if the comrades had gone crazy, he had not committed the slightest transgression. Bittner calls at him he should retain his composure.
Neither they put manacles around Ernst's hands, nor do they blindfold his eyes. He automatically obeys the order to place himself before the squad, his back facing the wall. Just before Bittner shouts "Fire" Ernst raises his right arm into he air and shouts "Longe live the Führer".
He collapses frontally. His legs keep twitching a few more times. Two men grab his arms and drag him over the gravel covering the ground into the former infirmary. In my memory this looks even more gruesome and horrific than the execution itself.

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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby mapugu on 12 Dec 2009 22:42

Zsasz wrote:By the was, does anyone know whether the driver in this picture could be Vogel? I have been trying to figure that out for months? During his death Vogel was an Obersturmführer, I'm not sure about the rank the collar-patch of the driver is indicating.


Only the SA-Gruppe Hochland (München) held at left side of their caps the Edelweiß. I think the driver at BA picture is a Oberscharführer of Hochland. Loock also to the Collar Insignia - isn´t black (like Gruppe Berlin-Brandenburg) but it´s possible light-blue. My opinion is, that the Sturmbannführer beside driver is Julius Uhl (he held later - in June 1934 the rank of an Standartenführer). So I think the driver perhaps may be Schieweck.

Now my question in this verry intresting forum - following sa-leaders were arrested at stadelheim some times but killed at Lichterfelde: von Krausser, von Detten, Schragmüller and von Falkenhausen - I am quite doubtful about their "travel" from Munich to Berlin and I am very interested in learning more about it.

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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby mty on 13 Dec 2009 01:07

mapugu wrote:Only the SA-Gruppe Hochland (München) held at left side of their caps the Edelweiß. I think the driver at BA picture is a Oberscharführer of Hochland. Loock also to the Collar Insignia - isn´t black (like Gruppe Berlin-Brandenburg) but it´s possible light-blue. My opinion is, that the Sturmbannführer beside driver is Julius Uhl (he held later - in June 1934 the rank of an Standartenführer). So I think the driver perhaps may be Schieweck.


Yes, you are right with that. The cap insignia is indeed the Gruppe Hochland Edelweiss badge. I initially thought it might have been the Polizeistern of SA-Feldpolizei but that was not the case. I think the driver could not be Schieweck since he did not serve in Gruppe Hochland but in Gruppe Schlesien. Sturmbannführer somehow looks like Uhl but I am not sure of his identity, was Uhl still Sturmbannführer in 1933?

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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby Zsasz on 13 Dec 2009 03:18

My more or less educated guess is still that the driver may be Oberscharführer Johann Heinrich König, who was a member of Roehm's entourage (which would be part of Gruppe Hochland, wouln'd it?).

BTW: Does anyone have a picture of Uhl. I know one depicted in Dornheim's "Röhms Mann fürs Ausland" but would be keen on getting to see some others.

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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby mty on 13 Dec 2009 12:22

Zsasz wrote:Central passage from the Meissner Memoirs with reagards to the Lichterfelde shootings:

"Since a great many cars and also some men were blocking my view at the wall, I did not immediately realise what was going on in that area. Shots were banging. A multitude of guns were firing simultaneously. Naturally the Leibstandarte was excellently trained when it came to shooting. Probably it would have been more sensible for me to seek some dark corner. However, my curiosity prevailed. I wanted to know what was going on there. With hindsight I realised that I did not think at all but rather acted automatically, pretty much like all the other people standing around watching. There was no barrier separating the execution area. As the first salvo was ringing my friend Rieb and I were leaning on a lorry with our backs. Others were standing next to us as well as before and behind us.
All of a sudden, to my horror, I got to see the man giving the command to shoot: I was no other than my old Friend Buzzi Bittner (name changed). His face was pale as chalk and he was bwaling in a loud voice. Right that moment another car arrived bringing two brown-shirts and one civilian. The first one I recognised at once, it was the Gauleiter [correct: the SA-Führer] of Berlin, Karl Ernst. In his left chest-pocket he was carrying some newspapers. Apparently he did not know what was in store for him until that very moment. He took of his cap and shouted at the SS-men what that was supposed to mean, if the comrades had gone crazy, he had not committed the slightest transgression. Bittner calls at him he should retain his composure.
Neither they put manacles around Ernst's hands, nor do they blindfold his eyes. He automatically obeys the order to place himself before the squad, his back facing the wall. Just before Bittner shouts "Fire" Ernst raises his right arm into he air and shouts "Longe live the Führer".
He collapses frontally. His legs keep twitching a few more times. Two men grab his arms and drag him over the gravel covering the ground into the former infirmary. In my memory this looks even more gruesome and horrific than the execution itself.


Thanks a lot of translating the Meissner account.

Apparently the often quoted passage mentioning how Ernst was shot with his right arm raised and shouting a salute originally comes from this account. And yes, I misunderstood what you meant in your previous post. SS Motor-Brigade Berlin was of course one of the many Allgemeine-SS units of Oberabschnitt Ost which were summoned to Lichterfelde on 30.6. According to Philippon, it was the rendez-vous-point for all of them: most were left there but some units were sent to Gestapa on Prinz-Albrecht-Strasse. If I remember correctly, machine guns and light vehicles were posted there (source: James Weingartner, "Hitler's Guard").

As you earlier said, it should be verified who of younger officers of LAH went to the same school with Meissner to find out the identity of this "Buzzi Bittner". My comprehension is that it is more or less universally accepted that the Lichterfelde firing squad was headed by Keilhaus (unfortunately I haven't seen his testimony, only referrals to it and his subsequent interviews), but nevertheless these should be double-checked well.

If I understood the German version correctly, the shooting place was said to be located at the bottom right corner of the compound. In summer 1934, the main entrance to former Kadettenanstalt area was from current Altdorfer Strasse. The well-known entrance from Finckensteinallee with its Reichsrottenführer statues and parade grounds was only built later.
I composed a map using satellite imagery from Google Maps:

Image
Note: click the image and choose "view image" since it is too wide to show up correctly on a forum page.

Interestingly, the "Heilige Familie" church I referred to earlier is located much more closer to that "bottom-right" (in the map, top right) corner of Lichterfelde compound than the location I previously mentioned - which was at the top-left corner, at the intersection of Baseler Strasse and Finckensteinallee. Although the difference in distance is not remarkable, it still sounds more plausible that the shots were so well recorded at the church lying only some 200 meters from the execution spot!

Another fact which supports this location is that LAH only occupied the eastern part of the complex, the western part being reserved for LPG "General Göring" and SA-Stabswache (which I think was not there anymore in summer 1934, having moved elsewhere earlier that year).

I am grateful for any additions and/or corrections.

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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby mapugu on 13 Dec 2009 15:46

mty wrote: I think the driver could not be Schieweck since he did not serve in Gruppe Hochland but in Gruppe Schlesien. Sturmbannführer somehow looks like Uhl but I am not sure of his identity, was Uhl still Sturmbannführer in 1933?


Yes, you are right with that and Zsasz also. Schieweck was a simple confusion - correct is Johann Heinrich "Hans" König was SA-Oberscharführer and personal driver of Röhm!

The next problem: Sturmbannführer who looks like Uhl. In this pic ernst held rank Gruppenführer (promoted 01.03.1933) and Uhl was Sturmbannführer (promoted 01.07.1932) until 28.02.1933, then he held the rank Standartenführer (promoted 01.03.1933). But who is then the men beside the driver, if he is not Uhl?

Zsasz wrote:(re: execution spot) - I am grateful for any additions and/or corrections.


Meissner wrote about Ernst:
"Er bricht vornüber zusammen, zuckt noch mit den Beinen. Zwei Männer packen seine Arme und schleifen ihn über den Kiesbelag ins ehemalige Lazarett." ("Two men grab his arms and drag him over the gravel covering the ground into the former infirmary. ")
In this case would mean that "bottom-right" (in the map, now top left) corner of Lichterfelde areal was the place of shooting (composed a map using by jensites.com)
Gebäude der Hauptkadettenanstalt um 1910.JPG

I´m not sure - it´s only a reflection.
(see more information about this area and its history: http://jensites.com/bbr/site/index.php? ... 01&lang=de)
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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby Zsasz on 13 Dec 2009 15:56

The claim that Karl Ernst raised his arm to deliver a "Hitler salute" can also be found in some much older claims:

Orb: "13 Jahre Machtrausch", page 293 states: "Als die zur Erschießung an die Wand gestellten SA-Führer der Generale, die mit ihren Adjutanten erschienen waren, ansichtig wurden, brachten viele von ihnen in ein fanatisches Heil Hitler aus, denn sie glaubten ncihts anderes, als dass ihr Führer Adolf Hitler einen Aufstand gegen die Reichswehr unternommen habe, der aber misslugnen sei, weshalb sie als aufrechte Nationalsozlisten jetzt erschossen würden. So starb unter anderen der Berliner SA-Führer Karl Ernst mit zum hitlergruß erhoebener Hand."

"When those SA-leaders who were placed before the walls of the Kadettenanstalt in order to be shot spotted the generals [who were allegedly there], who had come accompanied by their aide-de-camps, many of them erupted into fanatical shouts of Heil Hitler, for they believed nothing else but that their leader Adolf Hitler had attempted an insurrection against the Reichswehr, that had failed, why, as a consequence, they would now be shot. Among others the leader of the Berlin SA Karl Ernst died his hand being raised for the Hitler Salute."


With regards to the map: The original chapel within the area of the Kadettenanstalt was severly damaged during WW II and torn down by the US army when it took over the area in 1945. The chapel on the google-map would be the new chapel built by the US army, which today is being used as some sort of library by the federal Archive. We would have to figure out whether the American chapel was constructed at the very same site that the original chapel was located at or if the chapel mentioned by Meissner was situated somewhere else within the area of the Kadettenanstalt. if we could find some old map of the area perhaps we could pinpoint the site of the shootings by identifying the old infirmary and chapel.

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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby mapugu on 13 Dec 2009 17:39

Zsasz wrote:BTW: Does anyone have a picture of Uhl. I know one depicted in Dornheim's "Röhms Mann fürs Ausland" but would be keen on getting to see some others.


This Pic shows from left: SS-Gruppenführer Robert Bergmann, Röhms Adjutant (9.11.1933 - 30.6.1934 persönlicher Adjutant des Stabschefs der SA, zugleich Abteilungschef A2 (Sonderreferate) und A3 (Führer des Stabsquartiers) im Stab der Obersten SA-Führung), Ernst Röhm and SA-Standartenführer Julius Uhl.

Bergmann_Röhm_Uhl.JPG


This pic of (later killed) SA-Leaders shows from left:
- SA-Obergruppenführer Friedrich Ritter von Krausser (* 29. 4 1888 Nürnberg, † killed 2.7.1934,3:00 a.m. Lichterfelde);
- SS-Gruppenführer Rolf Reiner - 30.6.1934 arrested at Stadelheim - (* 2.1.1899 in Gmunden, † 27.8.1944 Braila);
- SA-Stabschef Ernst Röhm (* 28.11.1887, München, † killed 1.7.1934, 18:00 p.m. at Stadelheim prison, cell 474);
- SA-Standartenführer Julius Uhl (* 3.5.1903, † killed in dawn of 2.7.1934 at Dachau) [1];
- SA-Obergruppenführer Edmund Heines (* am 21.7.1897 München, † 30.6.1934, 7:30 p.m. at Stadelheim prison) [2];
- SA-Gruppenführer Karl Ernst (* 1.9.1904 Berlin, † killed 30.6.1934, 18:00 p.m. at Lichterfelde)

[1] together with Röhms secretary Martin Schätzel and Röhms driver Heinrich König
[2] executed by 14 SS-Men (vor der an den Sezierraum des Gefängnisses grenzenden Mauer des Hinrichtungshofes)
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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby mapugu on 13 Dec 2009 20:17

for localisation of execution spot I composed a map using satellite imagery from www.mapandroute.de:
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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby Phil Nix on 14 Dec 2009 12:34

[quote = "mapugu"] [quote = "Zsasz"]
BTW: Does anyone have a picture of Uhl. I know one depicted in Dornheim's "Röhm's husband for abroad," but would be keen on getting to see some others. [/ Quote]

This pic shows from left: SS Squad Robert Bergmann, Röhm's adjutant (9.11.1933 - 30.6.1934 personal aide to Chief of Staff of the SA Division Chief both A2 (special units) and A3 (leader of the staff quarters) in the bar of the Supreme SA Command) Ernst Röhm and SA-Colonel Julius Uhl.

[attachment = 1] Bergmann_Röhm_Uhl.JPG [/ attachment]

This pic of (later killed) SA-leader shows from left:
- SA-SS General Friedrich Ritter von Krausser (* 29. 4 1888 Nuremberg, † 2.7.1934,3:00 killed) on Lichterfelde;
- SS Squad Rolf Reiner - 30/6/1934 arrested at Stadelheim - (* 2.1.1899 in Gmunden, Braila † 27.8.1944);
- SA Chief of Staff Ernst Röhm (* 28.11.1887, Munich, † Killed 1/7/1934, 18:00 pm at Stadelheim prison, cell 474);
- SA-Colonel Julius Uhl (* 3.5.1903, † killed in the dawn of 2/7/1934 at Dachau) [1];
- SA-SS General Edmund Heines (* Munich on 21.7.1897, † 30.6.1934, 7:30 pm at Stadelheim prison) [2];
- SA-General Karl Ernst (* 1.9.1904 Berlin, † Killed 30.6.1934, 18:00 pm at Lichterfelde)

[1] together with Röhm and Röhm's secretary Martin Schätzel driver Henry King
[2] executed by 14 SS-men (before bordering the dissection room of the prison wall of the execution of court) [/ quote]
The second pic also shows Siegfried Seidel-Ditthmarch partially hidden on the left
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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby Zsasz on 15 Dec 2009 15:05

It seems to me that there are three possible spots in the upper left-hand corner of the first black and white map you posted that could have been the site of the executions: Either where you placed figure 8, where you placed figure 9 or the area between the morgue and the hospital you point at in the second map. After all we should remember that Meissner was not a regular of the Kadettenanstalt but a sort of visitor so I reckon that he was not privy to fine differences like which building was the infirmary and which one the hospital, so he might have identified the hospital as infirmary in his account a.s.o.

I'm still wondering which building Meissner meant we he said a church was close to the site of the executions (perhaps the long building opposite the morgue on the first black and white map (can't read the small caption next to it in the picture).

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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby mty on 15 Dec 2009 17:51

I guess nr. 9 in the outer corner of the compound is more likely place since, there might not be enough room between the two buildings (circle nr. 8) and at least to me the saying "against the wall" refers to a perimeter or yard wall. According to the map legend, church is circle nr. 1 and located adjacent to the staff building ("Stabsquartier"). Were there perhaps two churches (or a smaller chapel in addition to the garrison church) in Lichterfelde compound?

Lehmann refers to the "old infirmary" twice in his LAH chronicle (not in connection with the executions of June 30th, though). Apparently it was the only medical facility at Lichterfelde before the construction of SS-Lazarett Berlin which took place some years later.

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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby mapugu on 15 Dec 2009 20:19

Look to http://fami.oszbueroverw.de/finckenstein/ - there we can read about LSAH-buildings in june 1934:

Die Unterkünfte waren wie folgt aufgeteilt: (= The quarters were divided up as follows:)
Die Leibstandarte hatte (= The Leibstandarde had)
• die beiden östlichen Blöcke (Theklastr.), (=the both baracks at eastside (Theklastr.))
• die östliche Turnhalle, (=the gym hall at eastside,)
• das Kommandantenhaus, (= the house of commander,)
• das Lazarett II 8 Absonderungshaus. (= the hospital II 8 isolation ward.)

entrace_and_old_hospital buildings.JPG

and further:
"Wo sich die betreffende Mauer befand, ist ungewiss, möglicherweise könnte es die Ecke Baseler Str./ Finckensteinallee gewesen sein, was mit manchen Beobachtungen übereinstimmt, jedoch nicht zu belegen ist." (= "It is not shure where the concerning wall was placed, may be could were the corner Baseler Str./ Finckensteinallee, what cover with some observations, but not verify.")
A mortuary looks often similar a little church or chapel. Possible the problem of Meissner?
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Re: SA-Obertruppführer Erich Schieweck, Blood Purge victim

Postby Zsasz on 18 Dec 2009 22:36

Well, today I paid a visit to the Federal Archive in Lichterfelde which - what a convenient coincidence! - is also the site of the former Kadettenanstalt and of some the Killings discussed earlier on this page.

First, I checked the so-called BASIS 2 Database, an index of all people whom the Archives keeps material on. It contains an SA-man named Erich Schieweck whose date of birth was either September 16th or september 19th 1909.

Later on I went to inspect the "scene of crime": The buildings denoted as "hospital" and "isolaion ward" in the map posted earlier are still in existence. The mortuary has been torn down. But there is still a foothill indicating where it used to be. To carry out the execution there would have been enough space on the right-hand-side or at the-bottom of the mortuary (from the perspective of the map posted here). to carry out such a task.

There is another logical argument, which strangely enough none of us has come up with yet, why the killings in all probability were carried out in the area close the mortuary and hospital: If you dragged a person to an area accomodating all the buildings and facilities of the Kadettenanstalt, where would you kill him? Obviously at a place where it would take the least effort and labour to remove the dead body. Where would one place a dead body logically? In the staff rooms? No. In the living quarters? No. The kitchen? No. But rather in the mortuary or the hospital. So one would take that person into the proximity of the hospital, kill it there and only have to transport the corpse across a minimal distance to reach the place (hospital or mortuary) where one plans to dump the body for the time being.

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