Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter
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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei
James,
Der Grossdeutsche Reichstag 1943 refer to rank of "Dienstleiter der NSDAP" at this date.
on the other and the referenced "Statisten in Uniform Die MdR 1933 1945" by Joachim Lilla and Andreas Schulz give data on date of promotion :
1941 20.4 Dienstleiter der NSDAP
Georges
Der Grossdeutsche Reichstag 1943 refer to rank of "Dienstleiter der NSDAP" at this date.
on the other and the referenced "Statisten in Uniform Die MdR 1933 1945" by Joachim Lilla and Andreas Schulz give data on date of promotion :
1941 20.4 Dienstleiter der NSDAP
Georges
Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlslei
Thank you Georges!
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Igor, are you sure 2 is Rogalski?Igor Karpov wrote:Weird or not, but he indeed was Dienstleiter der NSDAP.Pitino wrote:Rogalski is a weird case!!! I have seen a source that lists him as a Hauptbereichsleiter in (January 1945). So now we know tha Rogalski must have been appointed Dienstleiter sometime between (January 1945-February 21, 1945). A lot of promotions for him from (September 1944-February 1945) wouldn't you say?
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Igor
Because the man standing next to Globus (1) during his 20th april 1944 speech in Triest (obviously as NSDAP head in Trieste) is another man, correct me if I'm wrong a Hauptbereichleiter.
All pictures were taken the same day.
If 2 is Rogalski I would expect him to be aside Globus during his speech.
How many NSDAP high ranks were awarded the Verwundetabzeichen in Schwarz? Any chance to check the awards to ID numer 1?
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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter
The man in question, I mean, Hauptbereichsleiter is a Reichsamtsleiter, Globocnik's equal in NSDAP rank, but Dienstleiter - already Reichshauptamtsleiter. O'key, if number 1 is Rogalski, who, then, is number 2?
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Interesting …
I've picked up this pic somewhere, probably in this forum - and the man, who is obviously the above number 2 is given as Rogalski.
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Halfdan S.
I've picked up this pic somewhere, probably in this forum - and the man, who is obviously the above number 2 is given as Rogalski.
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Halfdan S.
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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter
Well, I can also put it this way; if Rogalski is 2, then who's number 1?Igor Karpov wrote:The man in question, I mean, Hauptbereichsleiter is a Reichsamtsleiter, Globocnik's equal in NSDAP rank, but Dienstleiter - already Reichshauptamtsleiter. O'key, if number 1 is Rogalski, who, then, is number 2?
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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter
Does anybody know what had happened to Rogalski after May 1945?
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Check out this appointment for Todt to Hauptdienstleiter der NSDAP and Sundermann to Hauptamtsleiter der NSDAP from a new book I just received!!!! Sorry about the blur on the side.
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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter
Helmut Sündermann was appointed Reichsshauptamtsleiter der NSDAP on 9.12.1938.
On 1942 when he became Stellvertretender Pressechef der Regierung and was too ranked Hauptdienstleiter der NSDAP
(Lilla Statisten in uniform page 1139)
Georges
On 1942 when he became Stellvertretender Pressechef der Regierung and was too ranked Hauptdienstleiter der NSDAP
(Lilla Statisten in uniform page 1139)
Georges
Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter
Georges,
-You are correct on Sundermann. The appointments are blurred out but they do read like this:
Sundermann (December 9, 1938)
Todt (December 16, 1938)
Pitino
-You are correct on Sundermann. The appointments are blurred out but they do read like this:
Sundermann (December 9, 1938)
Todt (December 16, 1938)
Pitino
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-Can someone explain to me why Hartmut Stegemann is listed as Dienstleiter der NSDAP & Oberberiechsleiter der NSDAP at the same time on his 1943 Reichstag bio. He is also listed as Reichshauptamtsleiter der NSDAP. I know that the RHAL rank phased out in summer 1939, but why would he be listed as DL & OBerL at the same time. Both are Party ranks and DL is a few grades higher than OBerL. My thinking is that the OBerL rank was his prior rank on an earlier Reichstag bio and when the 1943 bio came out they forgot to remove it when they added the DL rank???? If anyone has another answer please enlighten me!
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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter
Pitino:
I agree with you that it was probably a printing error. The promotion probably came while they were in the processing of gathering the info and forgot to remove the old rank. The Reichshauptamtsleiter title being listed would still be absolutely correct, as it was still his "position/function" as opposed to the old pre-1939 rank.
Mark
I agree with you that it was probably a printing error. The promotion probably came while they were in the processing of gathering the info and forgot to remove the old rank. The Reichshauptamtsleiter title being listed would still be absolutely correct, as it was still his "position/function" as opposed to the old pre-1939 rank.
Mark
Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter
Can anyone tell me with certainty that Hauptamtsleiter Paul Janowsky is Hauptamtsleiter Freidrich Karl Janowsky or are they 2 different people all together? I know that HAL Friedrich Karl Janowsky had a brother in the party, SS-Standartenführer Wilhelm Janowsky but information on Paul Janowsky is lacking. He is listed as 1 of 10 HAL within the Reichskassenverwaltung in late 1935/1936 ( along with: Buchner, Damson, Geisselbrecht, Georg Gradl, Hermann Haag, Hanssgen, Ried, Roeder & Straehler). I do feel that they are 1 in the same. My reasoning is this: Pg. Karl Janowsky was promoted to Reichsoberrevisoren by Schwarz on the same day as Straehler, Haag & Gradl. It would make since that he too would be listed as HAL a year later with the same men. Also, to make things evenr more confusing is this: (Karl Janowsky was promoted to Hauptamtsleiter der NSDAP beim Reichsschatzmeisters on December 4, 1935 and his brother, Wilhelm Janowsky, was promoted to hauptstellenleiter der NSDAP beim Hauptamt fur Volkswohlfahrt on the same day). However, I would like a definitive answer! Any help with a repitable source is appreciated!
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-I am unsure if an exact date has been reached on the restructuring of the Reichsleitung in 1939???? Sommer 1939 is usually listed. I did find this the other day:
(21. 7. 39 - 26. 7. 39)[/b] Kzl. d F.
Kritik Bouhlers an dem von Ley vorgelegten Entwurf einer Neuordnung der Reichsleitung der NSDAP wegen seiner verspateten Beteiligung sowie wegen seiner Nichtberucksichtigung (weder in seiner Eigenshaft als Chef der Kanzlei des Fuhrers noch in der als leiter der PPK zum Schutze des NS-Schrifttums).
Basically, it is stating in my rudimentary German that Bouhler was criticizing the submitted design by Ley on the reordering of the Reichsleitung der NSDAP, because of his late involvement as well as Ley not taking into account Bouhlers capacity as the Chef der Kanzlei des Fuhrers. Only as as the Leiter der PPK. If anyone can transcribe this better, please do so!!! I think the crux of this transmission is the dating. I am guessing that Ley sent out a draft of the restructuring of the Reichsleitung on July 21, 1939, which was followed by Bouhlers criticism on July 26, 1939.
"Regesten, Band 2"
Pitino
(21. 7. 39 - 26. 7. 39)[/b] Kzl. d F.
Kritik Bouhlers an dem von Ley vorgelegten Entwurf einer Neuordnung der Reichsleitung der NSDAP wegen seiner verspateten Beteiligung sowie wegen seiner Nichtberucksichtigung (weder in seiner Eigenshaft als Chef der Kanzlei des Fuhrers noch in der als leiter der PPK zum Schutze des NS-Schrifttums).
Basically, it is stating in my rudimentary German that Bouhler was criticizing the submitted design by Ley on the reordering of the Reichsleitung der NSDAP, because of his late involvement as well as Ley not taking into account Bouhlers capacity as the Chef der Kanzlei des Fuhrers. Only as as the Leiter der PPK. If anyone can transcribe this better, please do so!!! I think the crux of this transmission is the dating. I am guessing that Ley sent out a draft of the restructuring of the Reichsleitung on July 21, 1939, which was followed by Bouhlers criticism on July 26, 1939.
"Regesten, Band 2"
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Re: Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter
Happy New Year to all members
Does anyone knows about a Oberdienstleiter at a Ordensburg around 1940 wearing Oberdienstleiter collar patches and shoulderboards as well as Musician swallownests and a plain gold armband?
Thank you for any lead on the subject.
Best regards
Richard
Does anyone knows about a Oberdienstleiter at a Ordensburg around 1940 wearing Oberdienstleiter collar patches and shoulderboards as well as Musician swallownests and a plain gold armband?
Thank you for any lead on the subject.
Best regards
Richard