Highest NSDAP Rank Holders: Dienstleiter-Hauptbefehlsleiter

[Pitino]

richardvon,

Otto Gohdes held the Oberdienstleiter d. NSDAP rank in 1940 as the Kommandant d. NS-Ordensburg Krossinsee. Also, Robert Bauer held the Oberdienstleiter d. NSDAP in 1940 as the Kommandant d. NS-Ordensburg Sonthofen. Do you know which Ordensburg is in question? Hans Dietel held the Dienstleiter d NSDAP rank in 1940 as the Kommandant d NS-Ordensburg Vogelsang. W/o the specific Ordensburg we would just be guessing, but those 2 ODL d NSDAP should point you on the right path.

Pitino

[richardvon]

Thank you Pitino for these infos but why would my Odl wear swallownests of a musician leader or inspector? Also the gold toned armband is uncommon. I have no lead of which Ordensburg we are talking about but it is definitely one of them. I will try to send a picture if possible in this forum. Best regards.
Richard

[Pitino]

richardvon,

The ODL d NSDAP was a fairly high rank within the new 1939 rank order. If your man was an ODL during 1940 and was within the Ordensburg he most likely would have been either Gohdes or Bauer. Look at the picture on this thread and see if you possibly see your man: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=75439

Pitino

[Halfdan S.]

Looking for a bit for help here (I've got a really bad copy). I can decipher this much:

Hermann (last name ends on -ler), the person was born 2.8.1898 and he was Reichsamtsleiter and Oberdienstleiter.

Any suggestions?

Best
Halfdan S.

[Pitino]

The man you are looking for is probably ODL Hermann Giesler. The brother of GL d NSDAP Paul Giesler.

Pitino

[Halfdan S.]

Thank you very much, Pitino. Giesler fits the bill, although I'm a bit surprised.

Regards
Halfdan S.

[Pitino]

Halfdan,

-I too understand the surprise, but he is listed as ODL d. NSDAP in his 1943 Reichstag bio.

Pitino

[Halfdan S.]

I didn't doubt your info at all and it does fit the bill, it is Giesler. Thanks again

Regards
Halfdan S.

[Pitino]

I have seen Claus Selzner listed with the Hauptbefehlsleiter rank for years now, but I have always thought this to be a dubious claim! I know for a fact the Selzner did hold the Oberbefehlsleiter rank & all of his 1944 obituaries list him as OBefL d. NSDAP. I have tried to find the genesis of this HBefL Selzner claim and I believe that I found it! I recently purchased the 1941 NS-Jahrbuch and in it lists this verbatim:

Hauptschulungsamt: (Leiter) - Haupbefehlsleiter Friedrich Schmidt, Claus Selzner

I believe this where some researchers incorrectly identified Selzner as HBefL Selzner! They took the HBefL rank of Schmidt and incorrectly applied it to Selzner too. It was not listed like this:

Hauptschulungsamt: (Leiter) - Hauptbefehlsleiter: Friedrich Schmidt und Claus Selzner

Can you see the inferential difference?

I have never found another period reference that even remotely lists Selzner with the HBefL rank, but there are numerous contemporary books that list Selzner as HBefL d. NSDAP. I contend that this subtle inferential error is what started the HBefL Selzner ball rolling!! I might add that I have found numerous period refrences that list Selzner with the OBefL d. NSDAP rank & those include, but are not limited to 3 different 1944 obituaries that all list Selzner with the OBefL rank. Any thoughts?????

("Nationalsozialistisches jahrbuch, 1941")


Pitino

[Mark Costa]

Pitino:

As I recall the promotion was posthumous for Selzner. I will have to see what I have on this.

Mark

[Pitino]

Mark,

Yes, I had him listed as posthumously awarded the rank for years, but I had no period reference to back up that claim. Hence, the final OBefL rank for Selzner in my new list. I have viewed at least 6 obituaries for Selzner and none mentioned the Hauptbefehlsleiter rank, but most mentioned the Oberbefehlsleiter rank. However, if you could provide for me the evidence that most certainly would change. Thanks!

Pitino

[Mark Costa]

For years we had speculated on Dr Fritz Todt's promotion to ther rare pre-wartime rank of ReichsHauptDienstleiter. Fellow researcher Pitino finally came up with a date of December 16, 1938. Here is an article that backs up that date. It is from the following day of the December 17, 1938 issue of the "Innsbrucker Nachrichten".

Mark Costa

[Michael Miller]

Whatever became of Pitino? Very saddening, the number of folks who contributed so much and have now seemingly faded away.
I hope they're all well but I fear that's not the often the case.

~ Mike

[Igor Karpov]

Add Dienstleiter Kurt Giese.

Regards,
Igor

[Igor Karpov]

Add Dienstleiter Dr. Peter Hansen.

Regards,
Igor