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SA-Obergruppen 1932

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Post by lbsr » 01 Feb 2011, 00:57

After SADV 1932 18 SA-groups and 58 SA-Subgroups (+ 2 independent Standarten) existed.
But I cannot find anywhere SA-Obergruppen (how many existed, their names, colors, collar tabs abbrevitations, Standort etc.) from that time.
Any help will be very appreciated - thnx!


Gruppe Ostland:
Gruppe Ostsee:
Pommern West
Pommern Ost
Mecklenburg
Gruppe Ostmark:
Grenzland
Lausitz
selbst. Standarte 8
Gruppe Berlin‑Brandenburg:
Berlin Ost
Berlin West
Brandenburg Ost
Brandenburg West
Gruppe Nordmark:
Ostholstein
Schleswig
Westholstein
Südholstein
Gruppe Nordsee:
Weser‑Ems
Hannover Ost
Hamburg
Gruppe Niedersachsen:
Hannover
Leine
Braunschweig
Goettingen
Gruppe Westfalen:
Westfalen Nord
Westfalen Süd
Gruppe Niederrhein:
Essen
Düsseldorf
Köln‑Achen
Gruppe West:
Hessen‑Darmdstadt
Hessen‑Nassau Süd
Hessen‑Nassau Nord
Koblenz‑Trier
Gruppe Süd‑West:
Wurttemburg
Baden
Pfalz
Gruppe Thüringen:
Thüringen Ost
Thüringen Mitte
Thüringen Süd
Thüringen West
Gruppe Sachsen:
Plauen
Chemnitz
Leipzig
Dresden
Gruppe Mitte:
Magdeburg‑Anhal
Halle‑Merseburg
SGruppe Schlesien:
Oberschlesien
Mittelchlesien Süd
Mittelchlesien Nord
Niederschlesien
selbst. Standarte Breslau
Gruppe Franken:
Mittelfranken
Oberfranken
Unterfranken
Gruppe Hochland:
Oberpf. Niederbayern
München‑Oberbayern
Schwaben
Gruppe Österreich:
Alpenland West
Alpenland Süd
Wien
Niederösterreich

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Re: SA-Obergruppen 1932

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Post by laurens » 01 Feb 2011, 21:43

This is the status from 1934:

Obergruppe I, Berlin with Gruppe Berlin-Brandenburg and Ostmark

Obergruppe II, Hannover with Gruppe Niedersachsen, Nordsee and Nordmark

Obergruppe III, Koblenz with Gruppe Westfalen, Niederrhein and West

Obergruppe IV, Ingolstadt with Gruppe Hochland and Südwest, Untergruppe Ober-Mittel and Unter-Franken.

Obergruppe V, Dresden with Gruppe Sachsen and Mitte, Thüringen and Pommern


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Re: SA-Obergruppen 1932

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Post by lbsr » 10 Feb 2011, 01:33

laurens,
thank You very much!
I try to put together all Group, Obergroups, Untergroups & Gaustürme changes, but without great succes...
Is there any good source for it?
Or can You help me?
All of sources listed on http://lbsr.mzf.cz/dr/sa/SA_ZugAbz30-45.html I've studied, but there are very little about these changes (and with great mistakes)
Thnx in advance

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Re: SA-Obergruppen 1932

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Post by mapugu » 09 Jun 2011, 16:14

Hi Ibsr,

here is the answer to your question i.r.o. Obergruppen in 1932 - see the following "Verfügung des Obersten SA-Führers Qu. Nr. 2410/32" dated munich, 9th September 1932 "Betrifft: Obergruppen" effective of 15th September 1932:
Osaf-Verfügung vom 09.09.1932-1(0,5).JPG
Osaf-Verfügung vom 09.09.1932-2(0,5).JPG
i.r.o. Untergruppen (and their colours) may be "Anlage zu 1 Nr. 2462/32", dated 20-09-1932 useful - let me know if you need it also :wink:

Best
Manfred

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Re: SA-Obergruppen 1932

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Post by lbsr » 14 Oct 2011, 22:07

Thnx much for thesa scans!
Of course "Anlage" could be very helpful!
Thnx in advance!

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Re: SA-Obergruppen 1932

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Post by Ludger » 29 Jan 2014, 16:10

Hi mapugu,

I just came across this interesting topic. In several other threads I' ve found this:
Obergruppe I (Königsberg); Gruppe Königsberg
Obergruppe II (Stettin); Gruppen: Pommern, Hansa, Nordmark
Obergruppe III (Berlin); Gruppen: Ostmark (Frankfurt/O.), Schlesien (Breslau), Berlin-Brandenburg (Berlin)

Can you tell me when this re-organization took place?
Greetings from
Ludger

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Re: SA-Obergruppen 07.07.1933

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Post by mapugu » 30 Jan 2014, 12:03

Hello Ludger,

You quote here a part of the Decree No. 2 of the Supreme SA Leader of 7 July 1933
(Erlaß Nr. 2 des Obersten SA-Führers vom 7. Juli 1933), subject restructuring of the SA.
According to point "A" of this decree hereafter entered following restructuring of the SA into effect immediately (that is, from 07.07.1933):

Obergruppe I (Königsberg), includes:
die Gruppe Ostland

Obergruppe II (Stettin):
1. Gruppe Pommern,
2. Gruppe Hansa (neugebildet aus der selbst. Untergruppe Mecklenburg und der bisherigen Untergruppe Hamburg),
3. Gruppe Nordmark.

Obergruppe III (Berlin, vorerst noch Breslau):
1. Gruppe Schlesien,
2. Gruppe Berlin-Brandenburg,
3. Gruppe Ostmark.

Obergruppe IV (Dresden):
1. Gruppe Sachsen,
2. Gruppe Mitte.

Obergruppe V (Frankfurt a.M.):
1. Gruppe Thüringen,
2. Gruppe Westmark,
3. Gruppe Hessen,
4. Gruppe Südwest.

Obergruppe VI (Hannover):
1. Gruppe Nordsee (ohne die bisherige Untergruppe Hamburg),
2. Gruppe Niedersachsen,
3. Westfalen,
4. Niederrhein.

Obergruppe VII (München):
1. Gruppe Hochland,
2. Gruppe Bayerische Ostmark,
3. Gruppe Franken.

Obergruppe VIII (Linz):
die Gruppe Österreich

This structure was to 27 March 1934 binding and a further restructuring of the SA was then determined with the available F No. 4513 of the Supreme SA leader (Verfügung F Nr. 4513 des Obersten SA-Führers).

Hope this helps you further (should you need copies of the orders, send me a PM with your email address :wink: ).

Best,
Manfred

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