Stoßtrupp Hitler 1923
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Any idea when this photo was taken, Oberhessin? None of the men appear to have black kepis on....
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Hi Jeff,
Do you think it is a 1923 period photo of the Stosstrupp since the black kepis were not worn until 1925?
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James
Do you think it is a 1923 period photo of the Stosstrupp since the black kepis were not worn until 1925?
Best,
James
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Could be. But black kepis were worn, at least in some instances, viz. the attached photo. This is captioned as "Stabswache 1922" but I'm thinking it is the unit that Göring set up in March 1923? And Kallenbach does include the black kepi in his description of the 1923 uniform...
Black kepis were not worn on the 9th of November, though, nor at the parade before Crown Prince Rupprecht on November 4...
Black kepis were not worn on the 9th of November, though, nor at the parade before Crown Prince Rupprecht on November 4...
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Thanks Jeff, I always read this picture as being the one of the new Stabswache set up by Julius Schreck after the refounding of the NSDAP?
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James
Best,
James
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James -
I have a feeling that you are right here - this group has more of an early SS feel to it than a pre-1925 unit. The IB caption says "Ein Bild aus dem Jahre 1922: Die Stabswache. Aus ihr entstand die SS""...but I bet that's simply erroneous, and somebody at the paper miscaptioned the image....
I have a feeling that you are right here - this group has more of an early SS feel to it than a pre-1925 unit. The IB caption says "Ein Bild aus dem Jahre 1922: Die Stabswache. Aus ihr entstand die SS""...but I bet that's simply erroneous, and somebody at the paper miscaptioned the image....
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In above photo, third from right is # 34 (not yet identified) from original thread photo, 2nd from right is #3 (Briemann). Man on far right looks like #23 (the man in the light colored suit in front row).
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Great film footage of these early Nazi stormtroopers can be viewed in link below. Comes from a german documentary on the Putsch. The film clip starts at :35 and shows Nazi SA in 1923 marching in Munich. Hitler can be seen in a window with Julius Streicher (although this image was filmed in Bayreuth in 1922). The real interesting part starts at 1:04 and shows in detail the early style of dress of these formations. Their commander Hermann Göring can seen in the foreground giving a military salute at 1:13. A still of a helmeted Briemann is at 3:38.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-WeIZgKTo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-WeIZgKTo
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We can add Phillipp Kitzinger, lawyer in Schrobenhausen.
I just came across his story, he was a socalled "Half Jew".
I just came across his story, he was a socalled "Half Jew".
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Kitzinger was a member of the STH, then? He's not mentioned anywhere else (maybe because of his "Mischling" status), thanks for finding him!
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Yes. If you google his name, you find his story on November 9 in his hometown 1938. He is mentioned in the books "Bayern in der NS-Zeit".
I will try to get his files. A very interesting story.
I will try to get his files. A very interesting story.
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Thanks as always!
Do you know what the brochure (mentioned in the article on Kitzinger) "Der Stosstrupp Hitler" is? Is this an NS period book? Any idea where a copy can be found?
Do you know what the brochure (mentioned in the article on Kitzinger) "Der Stosstrupp Hitler" is? Is this an NS period book? Any idea where a copy can be found?
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No. First time I hear of it. But it must be before 1938....
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In the attached list dated December 1937 there are 40 names, of which only 26 are included in the indicted members list posted by Jeff (it seems the other 14 were not brought before the court). In the pages posted by Jeff there are 14 additional names not in the 1937 list (fallen in disgrace, expelled, killed like Heiden ... but also strange cases like Michael Steinbinder, by 1937 member of the Allgemeine-SS?).
If we add the Stosstrupp member killed during the Putsch (Karl Laforce) and the three names I have found that were awarded the Blood Order as STH members but are not listed in the available lists (Julius Schreck, Hans Haggemüller and Werner Krug) we have a total of 58 names. If we consider the Phillipp Kitzinger mentioned in the thread, can we conclude that 60 is a reasonable final number of members for the Stosstrupp AH?
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If we add the Stosstrupp member killed during the Putsch (Karl Laforce) and the three names I have found that were awarded the Blood Order as STH members but are not listed in the available lists (Julius Schreck, Hans Haggemüller and Werner Krug) we have a total of 58 names. If we consider the Phillipp Kitzinger mentioned in the thread, can we conclude that 60 is a reasonable final number of members for the Stosstrupp AH?
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That's an interesting list, Ignacio - thanks for posting it. Where did you find it?
I think 60 is right in the ballpark for members - I'm at 61 now, but I'm a little confused about the Lindners. The Indictment refers to a Konrad Lindner, but Patzwall's Blood Order book only refers to one Lindner in the Stosstrupp (Albert). And Kallenbach refers in his text to "Albert Lindner". So I don't know if there really were two Lindners. Did the indictment get Albert's first name wrong? However, If there was a Konrad, the mere fact that he didn't get the Blood Order doesn't mean he didn't exist. The only place I have seen "Konrad Lindner" is in the Indictment, which, however, you'd expect to name the indicted persons correctly....
I think 60 is right in the ballpark for members - I'm at 61 now, but I'm a little confused about the Lindners. The Indictment refers to a Konrad Lindner, but Patzwall's Blood Order book only refers to one Lindner in the Stosstrupp (Albert). And Kallenbach refers in his text to "Albert Lindner". So I don't know if there really were two Lindners. Did the indictment get Albert's first name wrong? However, If there was a Konrad, the mere fact that he didn't get the Blood Order doesn't mean he didn't exist. The only place I have seen "Konrad Lindner" is in the Indictment, which, however, you'd expect to name the indicted persons correctly....