Stellvertretender Gauleiter ID
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Stellvertretender Gauleiter ID
Who is the Stellvertretender Gauleiter in these two 1934 NARA photos (or is it a Vorsitzender des Gaugerichts - the background on the collar-tabs look rather dark)?
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The 2 men standing out front in the bottom picture are RL Rosenberg and GL Kube.
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Erich Schmiedicke ?
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Re: Stellvertretender Gauleiter ID
Easler,
He sure looks like Schmiedicke. He was Stellvertretender Gauleiter des Gaues Ostmark (Kube was Gauleiter) from 1932 until 01.06.1933 when he became "mit der Führung der Geschäfte des Gaues Brandenburg der NSDAP beauftragt." (Source: Lilla, Döring & Schulz "Statisten in Uniform"). He was given the title Stellvertretender Gauleiter e.h. by Gauleiter Kube 29.07.1934.
I think you are correct! Thank you!
Fred
He sure looks like Schmiedicke. He was Stellvertretender Gauleiter des Gaues Ostmark (Kube was Gauleiter) from 1932 until 01.06.1933 when he became "mit der Führung der Geschäfte des Gaues Brandenburg der NSDAP beauftragt." (Source: Lilla, Döring & Schulz "Statisten in Uniform"). He was given the title Stellvertretender Gauleiter e.h. by Gauleiter Kube 29.07.1934.
I think you are correct! Thank you!
Fred
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Fred:
Your earlier comments on the dark color is right on. As these photos were taken in later 1934, he is wearing the BLACK tabs of a retired or in this case, Honorary, Deputy Gauleiter.
Mark Costa
Your earlier comments on the dark color is right on. As these photos were taken in later 1934, he is wearing the BLACK tabs of a retired or in this case, Honorary, Deputy Gauleiter.
Mark Costa
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Thank you, Mark...that makes sense & I appreciate it!
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Re: Stellvertretender Gauleiter ID
Who is the Stellvertretender Gauleiter between Kaufmann and Florian in this 1934 photo? I've ruled out Harry Henningsen (under Kaufmann) and Karl Overhues (under Florian)...it looks like Otto Gakenholz (the Stellv.Gauleiter under Telschow), but I'm not sure. (Source: NARA)
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Re: Stellvertretender Gauleiter ID
Gakenholz, yes. It can be no other. Well-spotted and thanks for sharing; until now the only picture I'd seen of the man was that Reichstag handbook image.
Best wishes,
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Best wishes,
~ Mike
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Once again, thank you Mike…but, in all honesty, it was forum member alexzouv who led me to look in this direction. He thought it may be Gakenholz & I had the original NARA photo that I posted to compare with the 1933 Reichstag Handbuch photo. (I posted a more complete version of the NARA photo in the "Women of the Reich" section of the forum...it was made during a speech by Gertrud Scholtz-Klink to Party leaders in 1934. See: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5&start=90).
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Re: Stellvertretender Gauleiter ID
Who is the person behind Ley & in front of Bürckel? He appears to have Stellvertretender Gauleiter collar-tabs, but I can't be sure. (Source: NARA)
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The darker uniform and bright color of the tabs is also interesting!
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Fred,
it is not deputy gauleiter but SA gruppenfuhrer collar tabs. It is Wilhelm von Holzschuher.
Michal
it is not deputy gauleiter but SA gruppenfuhrer collar tabs. It is Wilhelm von Holzschuher.
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Thank you, Michal. It definitely looks like Holzschuher. However, I didn't know that Holzschuher was ever SA-Gruppenführer, but was SS-Gruppenführer when this photo was taken (1934). This isn't an SS uniform & doesn't appear to be an SA Uniform (no shoulder strap & the wrong type of cap). He was, however, Reichsinspektor z.b.V. der Reichsleitung der NSDAP at the time. I would suggest, then, that he is wearing the early "SA-style" Reichsleitung collar-tabs. Thanks!
Fred
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Yes Fred....you are right...honestly I don't know what is the difference between Reichsleitung and SA -Grupf collar tabs...
But here is a short Mark's explanation to the collar tab style from another thread.
"You will find several photos of Holzschuher in the sets of the NARA that you have, wearing his PL uniform with the these first style Reichsleitung tabs even as late as the late July 1934 Reichsleiter/Gauleiter conference that are also in the sets. He and Feder seem to be the only ones to wear them after Jan 1934. It is interesting to note that neither of them wore the abolished second style tabs. I can only assume that their positions were not yet established to warrant new tabs. Feder of course was ousted from the party leadership around the same time and Holzschuher continued to be assigned to Hess' staff as one of his "trouble shooters". But after 1934 he only wears his SS uniform.
Mark Costa"
But here is a short Mark's explanation to the collar tab style from another thread.
"You will find several photos of Holzschuher in the sets of the NARA that you have, wearing his PL uniform with the these first style Reichsleitung tabs even as late as the late July 1934 Reichsleiter/Gauleiter conference that are also in the sets. He and Feder seem to be the only ones to wear them after Jan 1934. It is interesting to note that neither of them wore the abolished second style tabs. I can only assume that their positions were not yet established to warrant new tabs. Feder of course was ousted from the party leadership around the same time and Holzschuher continued to be assigned to Hess' staff as one of his "trouble shooters". But after 1934 he only wears his SS uniform.
Mark Costa"
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Re: Stellvertretender Gauleiter ID
These "SA Style " tabs only LOOK like SA Gruppenfuhrer tabs in black and white photos. They are in fact Carmine based with
GOLD OAKLEAVES with GOLD PIPING. They were introduced in early 1933 for the first style PL uniforms for members assigned to the Reichsleitung. You will find no regulations for them and they were shortlived. They were replaced in mid 1933 by what looks like Gauleiter tabs but known as the Reichsorganizationleiter tabs as those being worn by Ley in the same photo above. Again only members of the Reichsleitung wore them. So this photo shows both early Reichsleitung styles before they were abolished Holzschuher and Feder were only men who the "SA" style tabs into 1934. After that Holzschuher starting wearing his SS uniform. By 1934 the new PL uniforms and tabs had been established and all the early styles from 1933 disappeared forever. Attached here is a 1934 photo of Holzschuher wearing the 1934 style PL uniform and hat with his 1933 First Style reichsleitung SA style tabs.
Mark Costa
GOLD OAKLEAVES with GOLD PIPING. They were introduced in early 1933 for the first style PL uniforms for members assigned to the Reichsleitung. You will find no regulations for them and they were shortlived. They were replaced in mid 1933 by what looks like Gauleiter tabs but known as the Reichsorganizationleiter tabs as those being worn by Ley in the same photo above. Again only members of the Reichsleitung wore them. So this photo shows both early Reichsleitung styles before they were abolished Holzschuher and Feder were only men who the "SA" style tabs into 1934. After that Holzschuher starting wearing his SS uniform. By 1934 the new PL uniforms and tabs had been established and all the early styles from 1933 disappeared forever. Attached here is a 1934 photo of Holzschuher wearing the 1934 style PL uniform and hat with his 1933 First Style reichsleitung SA style tabs.
Mark Costa