Hi Andie,
So basically, he never served in the NSFK......
regards,
Darren
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I'm searching for leaders of Standarte 61(Dreieich), Standarte 168 (Offenbach), Brigade 49, Group Frankfurt/Main.
in the years 1932-1938.
Here are some other leaders:
Grf
BERGMANN, Robert (5.5.1886,Nürnberg-) Grf (1933)
HOFMANN, Bernhard () Grf
LOHBECK,Hermann (1892,Elberfeld-1945,Frankfurt/Oder) Grf(09.11.1942)
Of
ALTENBURG, Eduard (6.11.1894,Hersfeld-) Of(1936)
BALTZ, Heinrich (26.3.1905-) Of()
BARDOLFF, Carl Freiherr von (3.9.1865,Graz-) Of(1938)
GOEBBELS, Hans (25.1.1895,Rheydt-13.8.1947 (fr. POW)) Of(09.11.1942 z.b.V.)
otherwise
SCHÖNHOFF, Adolf () Of; Leader SA-Brigade 75
GRISCHER, () 1933 Leader SA-Brigade 75
KNICKMANN, () leader SA-Group Niederrhein (Düsseldorf)
HEYDEBRECK, Max (19.4.1882, Berlin-) leader Standarte 61, later 404
Peter
in the years 1932-1938.
Here are some other leaders:
Grf
BERGMANN, Robert (5.5.1886,Nürnberg-) Grf (1933)
HOFMANN, Bernhard () Grf
LOHBECK,Hermann (1892,Elberfeld-1945,Frankfurt/Oder) Grf(09.11.1942)
Of
ALTENBURG, Eduard (6.11.1894,Hersfeld-) Of(1936)
BALTZ, Heinrich (26.3.1905-) Of()
BARDOLFF, Carl Freiherr von (3.9.1865,Graz-) Of(1938)
GOEBBELS, Hans (25.1.1895,Rheydt-13.8.1947 (fr. POW)) Of(09.11.1942 z.b.V.)
otherwise
SCHÖNHOFF, Adolf () Of; Leader SA-Brigade 75
GRISCHER, () 1933 Leader SA-Brigade 75
KNICKMANN, () leader SA-Group Niederrhein (Düsseldorf)
HEYDEBRECK, Max (19.4.1882, Berlin-) leader Standarte 61, later 404
Peter
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Grischer??? I have never read this name as leader Brigade 75.PeterKatta wrote:
GRISCHER, () 1933 Leader SA-Brigade 75
Peter
Leaders of Brigade 75:
15.08.1933 - 15.12.1933 SA-Standartenführer Oswald Fuchs (m.d.F.b.)
15.12.1933 - 14.02.1934 SA-Standartenführer Hermann Lohbeck (m.d.F.b.)
15.02.1934 - 15.08.1934 SA-Oberführer Hermann Lohbeck
15.08.1934 - 28.02.1935 SA-Oberführer Adolf Schönhoff (m.d.F.b.)
01.03.1935 - 31.12.1936 SA-Oberführer (ab 20.04.1935 SA-Brif.) Franz Bock
01.08.1938 - 31.10.1938 SA-Standartenführer Vitalis Rolofs (m.d.F.b.)
01.11.1938 - 31.05.1943 SA-Standartenführer (ab 09.11.1938 SA-Of.) Vitalis Rolofs
(1944) SA-Brigadeführer Heinrich Thiel
Leaders of Brigade 49 (until 31.08.1933 SA-Untergruppe Hessen-Nassau-Süd):
01.07.1931 - 30.06.1932 SA-Oberführer Adolf Heinz Beckerle (m.d.F.b.)
01.07.1932 - 01.07.1933 SA-Oberführer (ab 01.03.1933 SA-Gruf.) Adolf Heinz Beckerle
15.08.1933 - 14.11.1933 SA-Standartenführer Günther Gräntz (m.d.F.b.)
15.11.1933 - 31.03.1934 SA-Oberführer Günther Gräntz
25.04.1934 - 30.04.1935 SA-Standartenführer Willy Roedel (m.d.F.b.)
01.05.1935 - 14.09.1935 SA-Oberführer Karl Dörnemann (m.d.F.b.)
15.09.1935 - 31.03.1939 SA-Oberführer (ab 09.11.1935 SA-Brif.) Karl Dörnemann
01.04.1939 - 31.07.1939 SA-Brigadeführer Karl Dörnemann (m.d.F.b.)
01.06.1939 - 05.07.1939 SA-Brigadeführer Richard Fiedler
01.08.1939 - 02.07.1942 SA-Brigadeführer Fritz Schmidt(-Kassel)
01.06.1943 - 31.01.1944 SA-Oberführer Kurt Berger (k.m.d.F.b.)
01.02.1944 - 00.05.1945 SA-Oberführer (ab 20.04.1944 SA-Brif.) Kurt Berger (m.d.F.b.)
from my manuscript "Das braune Heer. Stellenbesetzung der SA-Obergruppen, SA-Gruppen und SA-Brigaden im Reichsgebiet 1931 bis 1945" (Arbeitstitel)
AnDie
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I've a problem with English, I never user the special words from SA before.
So I use
[3722] Weidenhaupt,Hugo; Düsseldorf - Band 3; 3-491-34223-6; 1989
Page 611 you can read
"Truppführer des SA-Sturmes 26/39"; I'll write for source [3722,611].
Also
"Stabsführer der SA-Brigade 75" [3722,611].
So U're right.
1935 "degradiert" [3722,611] and the next pages
descript a the LOHBECK-FLORIAN-Problem .
I found in thes book a mistake:
GRISCHER, ... (1933) "Führer der SA-Brigade 75" (Düsseldorf) [3722,472].
I think GRISCHER is "GIRSCHER, Walter".
Because my English problem I write leader, ... in German is "Führer".
It's a notion for all, don't say enything about the position.
Cause I don't know what's the word for "Stabsführer" I write leader, means "-führer".
I'll learn and I was reading a while before I enter the forum.
Peter
So I use
[3722] Weidenhaupt,Hugo; Düsseldorf - Band 3; 3-491-34223-6; 1989
Page 611 you can read
"Truppführer des SA-Sturmes 26/39"; I'll write for source [3722,611].
Also
"Stabsführer der SA-Brigade 75" [3722,611].
So U're right.
1935 "degradiert" [3722,611] and the next pages
descript a the LOHBECK-FLORIAN-Problem .
I found in thes book a mistake:
GRISCHER, ... (1933) "Führer der SA-Brigade 75" (Düsseldorf) [3722,472].
I think GRISCHER is "GIRSCHER, Walter".
Because my English problem I write leader, ... in German is "Führer".
It's a notion for all, don't say enything about the position.
Cause I don't know what's the word for "Stabsführer" I write leader, means "-führer".
I'll learn and I was reading a while before I enter the forum.
Peter
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>> GRISCHER, () 1933 Leader SA-Brigade 75
> Grischer??? I have never read this name as leader Brigade 75.
> Leaders of Brigade 75:
> 15.08.1933 - 15.12.1933 SA-Standartenführer Oswald Fuchs (m.d.F.b.)
> 15.12.1933 - 14.02.1934 SA-Standartenführer Hermann Lohbeck (m.d.F.b.)
> 15.02.1934 - 15.08.1934 SA-Oberführer Hermann Lohbeck
I my book U can read, GRIESCHER was (as Chief) responsible for the Problem of LOHBECK.
LOHBECK use an hippo-whip to attack another.
> Leaders of Brigade 49 (until 31.08.1933 SA-Untergruppe Hessen-Nassau-Süd):
> 15.08.1933 - 14.11.1933 SA-Standartenführer Günther Gräntz (m.d.F.b.)
> 15.11.1933 - 31.03.1934 SA-Oberführer Günther Gräntz
> 25.04.1934 - 30.04.1935 SA-Standartenführer Willy Roedel (m.d.F.b.)
> 01.05.1935 - 14.09.1935 SA-Oberführer Karl Dörnemann (m.d.F.b.)
> 15.09.1935 - 31.03.1939 SA-Oberführer (ab 09.11.1935 SA-Brif.) Karl Dörnemann
Are there pictures shows one of these persons?
What mean "m.d.F.b."?
I have also a little Problem with the rang of these persons.
They are leaders of a brigade and the rang is not "Brigadeführer",
GRÄNTZ and ROEDEL Standartenführer.
4 example: Brigadeführer = "Führer Brigade 49" = "Brigadeführer 49", also
Oberführer = "Führer Brigade 49" = "Brigadeführer 49";
first is rang, second and third is position.
I thing it's not only my problem, so we have many mistakes in books.
Under the rang of Standartenführer I can see the number of Standarte, Sturmbann or Stum.
Normaly we have black&white-picture and can't see see colour of their uniform,
so I see in this time a Standartenführer without a name come from whole germany. ;-)
So I need picture to check the persons an I must see picture before I'm going in the record office
looking for other picture.
I have a picture of Wilhelm BLÄNKLE, "Sturmbannführer" since 1.9.1933 of I/168 and
from his adjudant Heinrich JÄGER (Sturmführer) ["Offenbacher Nachrichten", 3/9/1933].
DÖRNEMANN, Karl-Friedrich: I read he was (later) "Gruppenführer".
DORNEMANN, Karl-Friedrich (29/01/1901) it's the same.
Ok, with your tips I find GRÄNTZ in http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=69846;
there is a picture (time?) and nothing about "Brigade 75". ; -)
In this thread he's written GRANTZ GUNTHER.
Is use another book
[6062] Erich STOCKHORST; 5000 Köpfe - wer war was im 3. Reich
Here is not so much information as here and a differenz:
1943 SA-Obergruppenführer [6062]
30.1.1941 SA-Obergruppenführer [axis]
Little pieces like a puzzle. Sometime I'll be reaching the end.
Peter
> Grischer??? I have never read this name as leader Brigade 75.
> Leaders of Brigade 75:
> 15.08.1933 - 15.12.1933 SA-Standartenführer Oswald Fuchs (m.d.F.b.)
> 15.12.1933 - 14.02.1934 SA-Standartenführer Hermann Lohbeck (m.d.F.b.)
> 15.02.1934 - 15.08.1934 SA-Oberführer Hermann Lohbeck
I my book U can read, GRIESCHER was (as Chief) responsible for the Problem of LOHBECK.
LOHBECK use an hippo-whip to attack another.
> Leaders of Brigade 49 (until 31.08.1933 SA-Untergruppe Hessen-Nassau-Süd):
> 15.08.1933 - 14.11.1933 SA-Standartenführer Günther Gräntz (m.d.F.b.)
> 15.11.1933 - 31.03.1934 SA-Oberführer Günther Gräntz
> 25.04.1934 - 30.04.1935 SA-Standartenführer Willy Roedel (m.d.F.b.)
> 01.05.1935 - 14.09.1935 SA-Oberführer Karl Dörnemann (m.d.F.b.)
> 15.09.1935 - 31.03.1939 SA-Oberführer (ab 09.11.1935 SA-Brif.) Karl Dörnemann
Are there pictures shows one of these persons?
What mean "m.d.F.b."?
I have also a little Problem with the rang of these persons.
They are leaders of a brigade and the rang is not "Brigadeführer",
GRÄNTZ and ROEDEL Standartenführer.
4 example: Brigadeführer = "Führer Brigade 49" = "Brigadeführer 49", also
Oberführer = "Führer Brigade 49" = "Brigadeführer 49";
first is rang, second and third is position.
I thing it's not only my problem, so we have many mistakes in books.
Under the rang of Standartenführer I can see the number of Standarte, Sturmbann or Stum.
Normaly we have black&white-picture and can't see see colour of their uniform,
so I see in this time a Standartenführer without a name come from whole germany. ;-)
So I need picture to check the persons an I must see picture before I'm going in the record office
looking for other picture.
I have a picture of Wilhelm BLÄNKLE, "Sturmbannführer" since 1.9.1933 of I/168 and
from his adjudant Heinrich JÄGER (Sturmführer) ["Offenbacher Nachrichten", 3/9/1933].
DÖRNEMANN, Karl-Friedrich: I read he was (later) "Gruppenführer".
DORNEMANN, Karl-Friedrich (29/01/1901) it's the same.
Ok, with your tips I find GRÄNTZ in http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=69846;
there is a picture (time?) and nothing about "Brigade 75". ; -)
In this thread he's written GRANTZ GUNTHER.
Is use another book
[6062] Erich STOCKHORST; 5000 Köpfe - wer war was im 3. Reich
Here is not so much information as here and a differenz:
1943 SA-Obergruppenführer [6062]
30.1.1941 SA-Obergruppenführer [axis]
Little pieces like a puzzle. Sometime I'll be reaching the end.
Peter
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I have a problem to translate the text in Englisch,
so U must wait 1-2 days. Is this a problem?
Before I do this I give U another story.
a) FLORIAN, (Friedrich) Karl was Gauleiter in Düsseldorf.
b) Of Hans GOEBBELS was director of insurance company "Provinzial" in Düsseldorf, (older) brother of
c) Joseph GOEBBELS
d) Oldest brother of c) was Konrad GOEBBELS
In 21/10/1935 Joseph GOEBBELS writing in his diary:
Konrad makes only trouble; AMANN cancel his job as director. In order of FLORIAN, ...
... I help him (FLORIAN) by the "Führer"(AH) some days ago.
That for my goodness. We will see what we can do.
It's not my deal, but Konrad is a respectable guy and a good "Nazi".
So ... FLORIAN is a man who sell his grandmother.
I need a warm up for my English, ... please wait a little time.
Peter
so U must wait 1-2 days. Is this a problem?
Before I do this I give U another story.
a) FLORIAN, (Friedrich) Karl was Gauleiter in Düsseldorf.
b) Of Hans GOEBBELS was director of insurance company "Provinzial" in Düsseldorf, (older) brother of
c) Joseph GOEBBELS
d) Oldest brother of c) was Konrad GOEBBELS
In 21/10/1935 Joseph GOEBBELS writing in his diary:
Konrad makes only trouble; AMANN cancel his job as director. In order of FLORIAN, ...
... I help him (FLORIAN) by the "Führer"(AH) some days ago.
That for my goodness. We will see what we can do.
It's not my deal, but Konrad is a respectable guy and a good "Nazi".
So ... FLORIAN is a man who sell his grandmother.
I need a warm up for my English, ... please wait a little time.
Peter
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I have some picture of SA-people,
but I don't know the name of this.
date: 4..9.1934-26.9.1935, may be some pictures was a little bit later or before.
special days:
5.-10.9.1934 VI. Reichsparteitag (der Einheit und Stärke)
10.-16.9.1935 VII. Reichsparteitag (Freiheit)
26.9.1935 Externsteine/Hermannsdenkmal/Fritzlar
1.-16.8.1936 Olympiade, Berlin
Which is the best place to post pictures of SA in the AxisHistoryForum?
I think I disturb this thread, if I post the picture here.
It's a "Standartenführer", a "Oberführer" and a "Gruppenführer" for the beginning.
Ich have more "Gruppenführer" and other SA-people,
but the best pictures was about Standarte 168 (Offenbach) and Standarte 61 (Dreieich).
I have only 2 person on my pictures with a name,
Wilhelm BLÄNKLE, Sturmbannführer, Sturmanführer I/168 and
Heinrich JÄGER, Sturmführer, his adjutant.
So I need other pictures to compare my picture ...
Standarte 168 was in Brigade 49
Brigade 49 in Gruppe Hessen, all in Frankfurt/Main.
(Offebach-)Dreieich is nearby Frankfurt/Main in the east of Buchschlag,
so I think, Standarte 61 is also in Brigade 49.
Peter
but I don't know the name of this.
date: 4..9.1934-26.9.1935, may be some pictures was a little bit later or before.
special days:
5.-10.9.1934 VI. Reichsparteitag (der Einheit und Stärke)
10.-16.9.1935 VII. Reichsparteitag (Freiheit)
26.9.1935 Externsteine/Hermannsdenkmal/Fritzlar
1.-16.8.1936 Olympiade, Berlin
Which is the best place to post pictures of SA in the AxisHistoryForum?
I think I disturb this thread, if I post the picture here.
It's a "Standartenführer", a "Oberführer" and a "Gruppenführer" for the beginning.
Ich have more "Gruppenführer" and other SA-people,
but the best pictures was about Standarte 168 (Offenbach) and Standarte 61 (Dreieich).
I have only 2 person on my pictures with a name,
Wilhelm BLÄNKLE, Sturmbannführer, Sturmanführer I/168 and
Heinrich JÄGER, Sturmführer, his adjutant.
So I need other pictures to compare my picture ...
Standarte 168 was in Brigade 49
Brigade 49 in Gruppe Hessen, all in Frankfurt/Main.
(Offebach-)Dreieich is nearby Frankfurt/Main in the east of Buchschlag,
so I think, Standarte 61 is also in Brigade 49.
Peter
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