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Yesterday was the 'Night of the Long Knives'

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Yesterday was the 'Night of the Long Knives'

Postby Schmauser on 01 Jul 2002 12:46

Does anyone know any of the victims of the purge, I know of afew, but certain books give different victims. Thanks in Advance

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Postby LEVE on 01 Jul 2002 14:53

Frick stated: "Himmler, in June of 1934, was able to convince Hitler that Roehm wanted to start a putsch. The Fuehrer ordered Himmler to suppress the putsch, which was supposed to take place at the Tegernsee, where all the SA leaders were coming together. For Northern Germany, the Fuehrer gave the order to suppress the putsch to Goering

Pursuant to this order, a great many people - something like a hundred, and possibly more-accused of high treason, were arrested and even put to death. They were just killed on the spot. Many people were killed - I don't know how many -who actually did not have anything to do with the putsch. People who just weren't liked very well as, for instance, Schleicher, the former Reich Chancellor, were killed. Schleicher's wife was also killed. Also Gregor Strasser, who had been the Reich Organisation Leader and second man in the Party after Hitler. Strasser, at the time he was murdered, was not active in political affairs any more; he had however separated himself from the Fuehrer in November or December of 1932."


If Frick didn't know (or wasn't talking!) the total, or who they all were, then I doubt anyone has a full accounting of that night's activities.

I'd think there would be an accounting list somewhere for those who were accussed of High Treason unless only verbal orders were issued.

But for the rest of those killed that night because someone in the NSDAP didn't "like" them.. well, they're regulated to the ash heap of history and it's doubful that a complete comliation of their stories will ever be made.
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Postby Richard Murphy on 01 Jul 2002 19:18

Just by sheer coincidence, it was also my Birthday (Spoooookey!!)

But, to get back to the point; Sir Ian Kershaw gives an excellent account of Die Nacht der langen Messer in Hitler 1889-1936 Hubris which makes clear that it was the Führer's decision to exorcise his rabble-rowsers before they cost him the vital support of both the Army and big business (Several of the dead, such as von Schleicher and von Papen's principal Secretary fell victim to internal power struggles and the settling of old scores by other leading Nazis, whilst at least one (Willi Schmid) was a case of mistaken identity.).
Nicolai Tolstoy (Later to lose almost all credibility by going after Harold Macmillan over the fate of the Cossacks.) also wrote on the subject in Night of the Long Knives (Ballantine Books, New York, 1972) which Louis L. Snyder based his analysis on for the entry (Under "Blood Purge") in his excellent Encyclopedia of the Third Reich ((Worsworth Military Library, 1998 (Originally published by McGraw-Hill Inc. 1976)).
In this entry, he says that;
" at least 77 leading Nazis died as well as at least 100 others"
he also points out that it was Frick who;
"framed an extraordinary law that declared all Hitler's actions in the purge to be legal and statesmanlike. It was passed quickly by the puppet Reichstag.

I am not aware of a complete listing of the victims. If someone has one, I would be interested to see it.

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rohm purge

Postby dylan on 02 Jul 2002 18:31

guys

here are some names

ernst rohm ,gregor strasser
kurt von schleicher :generaal and politician
edgar jung :journalist
otto ballerstadt :diplomat ingenieur
fritz beck :director
karl belding :sa standartenfuhrer
franz blasner :sa truppfuhrer
ferdinand von bredow :general majoor
georg von delten :sa gruppenfuhrer
werner engels :sa sturmbannfuhrer
karl ernst :sa gruppenfuhrer
alois bittman :sa scharfuhrer
hans von falkenhausen :sa oberfuhrer
gustav fink :ss man
fritz gerlich :archivrat
daniel gerth :sa obersturmfuhrer
hans hayn :sa gruppenfuhrer
edmund heines :sa gruppenfuhrer
hans von heydebreck :sa gruppenfuhrer
dr .joachim hoffmann
anton von homberg and buchwald :ss reiter und obertruppfuhrer
gustav von kahr :staatskommissar
eugen von kessel :hauptman polizei
dr erich klausener :preusischen ministerie
willi klemm :sa brigadefuhrer
hans k. koch :sa brigadefuhrer
heinrich konig :sa oberscharfuhrer


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Re: Yesterday was the 'Night of the Long Knives'

Postby Phaethon on 02 Jul 2002 22:18

Schmauser wrote:Does anyone know any of the victims of the purge, I know of afew, but certain books give different victims. Thanks in Advance


Quite a few personal scores were settled at that time so it is unsurprising that there is some variability in the list of 'official' purge victims.

According to The Encyclopaedia of the Third Reich: "The official death lists contained 83 names..." and "Unrecorded were the countless victims of arbitary decisions by SS death squads, especially in Silesia."

In his speech to the Reichstag on July 13, 1934 Hitler stated that 61 people had beed arrested and shot and 13 had died resisting arrest (Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich)

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Postby Schmauser on 02 Jul 2002 23:39

I've got some names not on your list dylan,

SA Obergruppenführer Fritz von Krausser
Reichstag Nationalist Deputy Dr Ernst Oberfohren
SA Obergruppenführer August Schneidhüber
SA Gruppenführer Karl von Wechmar
Music Critic Dr Wilhelm Schmidt (Mistaken for Gruppenführer Schmidt)
SA Gruppenführer Konrad Schragmüller
von Papen's Secretary Herbert von Bose
SA Gruppenführer Willi Schmidt

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More Blood Purge Victims

Postby R.M. Schultz on 18 Feb 2003 06:50

Also killed in the Blood Purge were:

Oskar Stable, FK Maercker, FK Rossbach, NSDAP / NSDStB

Werner von Fichte, FK Rossbach, NSDAP / sa / ss

Robert Bergman, FK Epp, Fehmemord, NSDAP / sa / ss,
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ling knives

Postby Emerson Begolly on 19 Feb 2003 16:13

Where did the "Long Knives" part in the Night of Long Knives come from?
What do long knives have to do with anything?

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Postby David Thompson on 19 Feb 2003 19:09

Here's a David Low cartoon on the subject, dated 3 Jul 1934:
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Long Knives

Postby ChristopherPerrien on 20 Feb 2003 03:06

This was when Hitler's new more loyal blackshirt's i.e. the SS, exterminated the leadership of the NSDAP brownshirts. The most influencial Nazi at the time was Ernst Roehm leader of the original brownshirt stormtroopers( i.e. Freikorps). Many of Roehm's supporters were killed that night with "knives". You could say it was a classic "stab in the back" as Roehm probably was the reason Hitler was granted membership as member number seven in the NSDAP.

"Night of the Long Knives" great song by AC/DC, listened to it REAL loud yesterday, If you ain't got it buy it, it's on "For Those About to Rock".
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Postby Max on 20 Feb 2003 08:28

The purge of the SA was kept secret until it was announced by Adolf Hitler on 13th July. It was during this speech that Hitler gave the purge its name: Night of the Long Knives (a phrase from a popular Nazi song).


This thread is entitled "Yesterday was the 'Night of the Long Knives' "
Wasn't it on 29th June 1934
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERnight.htm
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Postby Max on 20 Feb 2003 10:49

It was during this speech that Hitler gave the purge its name: Night of the Long Knives (a phrase from a popular Nazi song).

DIE NACHT DER LANGEN MESSER
[The Night of the Long Knives]
Anyone care to comment on this song [see link]
Is it modern or the song Hitler was refering to?
http://www.fdamerius.de/frank/seiten/inszene/schlacht/schla_text.htm

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