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[Navy Vet]

Why did Alois Schicklgruber change his name to Hitler later?

Is Hitler a version of Hiedler, and if so, how?

Is Schicklgruber or Poelzl a Jewish name?

What happened to [Adolf's sister] Paula?

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[Navy Vet]

The name of Adolf Hitler has inspired both admiration and mortal dread. When Hitler became the Führer (the dictator), the short, powerful word "Hitler" not only identified the man who carried it, but the word turned into a symbol of strength and loyalty. During Hitler's dictatorship, "Heil Hitler" became more than the paganlike chant at rallies and parades, it became the common form of address. During these years it was common to answer the telephone with "Heil Hitler" rather than the customary "Hello." Also, instead of closing letters with "Sincerely" or "Yours truly" one would write "H.H." - short for "Heil Hitler."
So what would have happened if Adolf Hitler's name had actually been Adolf Schicklgruber? Sound farfetched? You may not believe how close Adolf was to carrying this comical sounding last name.

Adolf's father - Alois
Adolf Hitler was born on April 20, 1889 in the town of Braunau am Inn, Austria to Alois and Klara Hitler. Adolf was the fourth of six children born to Alois and Klara, but only one of two to survive childhood.
Adolf's father, Alois, was nearing his 52nd birthday when Adolf was born, but was only celebrating his 13th year as a Hitler. Alois (Adolf's father) was actually born as Alois Schicklgruber on June 7, 1837 to Maria Anna Schicklgruber. At the time of Alois' birth, Maria was not yet married. Five years later (May 10, 1842), Maria Anna Schicklgruber married Johann Georg Hiedler.

So who was Alois' real father?
The mystery concerning Adolf Hitler's grandfather (Alois' father) has spawned a multitude of theories that range from possible to preposterous. Whenever beginning this discussion, we should realize that we can only speculate about this man's identity because the truth rested with Maria Schicklgruber, and as far as we know, she took this information to the grave with her in 1847.
To explain away Adolf Hitler's treatment of Jews, some speculate Adolf's grandfather was a Jew. There is no basis for this speculation.

The simplest and legal answer to Alois' paternity points to Johann Georg Hiedler - the man Maria married five years after Alois' birth. The sole basis for this information dates to Alois' baptismal registry that shows Johann Georg claiming paternity over Alois on June 6, 1876 in front of three witnesses. At first glance, this seems like reliable information until you realize that Johann Georg would have been eighty-four years old and had actually died nineteen years earlier.

So who changed the baptismal registry?
There are many versions of this story, but most point the finger at Johann Georg Hiedler's brother, Johann von Nepomuk Huetler. (The spelling of the last name was always changing - the baptismal registry spells it "Hitler.") Some rumors say that because Johann von Nepomuk had no sons to carry on the name of Hitler, he decided to change Alois' name by claiming that his brother had told him that this was true. Since Alois had lived with Johann von Nepomuk for most of his childhood, it is believable that Alois seemed like his son. Other rumors actually claim that Johann von Nepomuk was Alois' real father and that in this way he could give his son his last name.
No matter who changed it, Alois Schicklgruber officially became Alois Hitler at thirty nine years of age. Since Adolf was born after this name change, Adolf was born Adolf Hitler.

Sourced: Ancestry of Hitler

[White Leopard]

It would appear that you have answered part of your own questions.

Schicklegruber and Poelzl are not Jewish. I read that Poelzl could be Czech in origin. There is one poster here who made a case for Hitler being partly or mostly Czech due to this fact and the fact that the region where he was born is adjacent to part of Czechosolvokia. If true, this would be almost as great an irony as the preferred but unproven idea that Hitler was partly Jewish. He often professed to despise the Czechs almost as much as the Jews.

Schicklegruber is apparently a solid Austrian peasant name. Hitler's boyhood friend, Kubizek made record of Hitler's satisfaction at not being tagged with it, declaring that it was too "boorish" and rustic in nature.

Hitler often declared that he didn't know anything about his family or his lineage in his early days. This in spite of finally producing an offical pedigree that showed him to be impeccably German in descent. He definately wanted to be thought of as German, not Austrian. His failure to stand up for the draft in his early twenties was not because he was a pacificist, but because he didn't want to serve in the Austrian army. He showed no hesitation about joining a Bavarian regiment in the the opening days of World War One, even though he was still offically an Austrian citizen. He made every attempt to shake off his Austrian identity. It is not hard to speculate that his early failures and disappointments left him with no great love for Austria or the family who chided and mocked his early ambitions with galling frequency.

Offical pedigrees put aside, no one will ever know for sure who Hitler's paternal grandfather was.

To answer your question about his only full sibling, his sister Paula, she never married and died in 1960. I have read speculation that she was somewhat retarded, but haven't seen confirmation on this fact.

Heidler, Hitler, and Huetler are all spelling varients of the same name. Rather like Smith being spelled as Symth, or Smithe in English. Which form was used would appear to be up to personal preferrance.

[Navy Vet]

I have read that some believe that Alois want not Adolf's true father (by blood).

[White Leopard]

I have read that some believe that Alois want not Adolf's true father (by blood).

There are people who are willing to wish any evil or depravity they can think of on Hitler. He is (with justification) one of history's most hated figures. But one has to think about the propabability here. No one has ever found anything that questions the morals of his mother. I think, therefore, that such a thing is unlikely.

[Helly Angel]

You must read the Ian Kershaw´s Hitler. The most complete, deep and actual investigation about Adolf Hitler.

Hitler was not jew and had not ancestry jewish. All of this was a invention of Hans Frank in prison.

I agree with White Leopard. One think is the cruelty and criminal actions of a people another is the real history

Best,

[AvD]

Paula Hitler was burried at the Berchtesgaden Friedhof. This picture was taken end of July 2003. The grave is in a very good condition!

[Navy Vet]

There are people who are willing to wish any evil or depravity they can think of on Hitler.

To do so would only make them just as evil; therefore, I am not such a person. This post is purely for interest in historical facts.

[Navy Vet]

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Am I reading this correct, that Johann Huettler is Alois Schicklgruber's uncle and Klara Poelzl's grand father? Wouldn't this, in a way, make Adolf's parents to be cousins?

[Navy Vet]

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Am I reading this correct, that Johann Huettler is Alois Schicklgruber's uncle and Klara Poelzl's grand father? Wouldn't this, in a way, make Adolf's parents to be cousins?

No comment on the above question after over 10 years?

[Timmy]

Hitler often declared that he didn't know anything about his family or his lineage in his early days. This in spite of finally producing an offical pedigree that showed him to be impeccably German in descent. He definately wanted to be thought of as German, not Austrian. His failure to stand up for the draft in his early twenties was not because he was a pacificist, but because he didn't want to serve in the Austrian army. He showed no hesitation about joining a Bavarian regiment in the the opening days of World War One, even though he was still offically an Austrian citizen. He made every attempt to shake off his Austrian identity. It is not hard to speculate that his early failures and disappointments left him with no great love for Austria or the family who chided and mocked his early ambitions with galling frequency.

He never declared that he didn't know anything about them but rather he did not want other people to know about his origins. The Ahnenpaß would still be able to be applicable to Hitler despite having an illegitimate father since his father was later legitimized and Johann Georg was 'officially' accepted as the father and thus Hitler was regarded as fully Aryan.

Hitler never hid the fact that he was born in Austria on the Austrian-German border, he even emphasizes it in Mein Kampf. It can be argued that Hitler was just as much German as he was Austrian. During Hitler's era the ethnic German Austrians of Austria-Hungary (especially nationalists) thought of themselves as Germans first, Austrians second. Hitler's identity as a German although not born in Germany was never challenged because he was a German-Austrian. After he was freed from jail he avoided being deported back to Austria because the court said that they could not to someone who "thinks and feels as German". Although Hindenburg did label him an "Austrian Corporal", given that Hindenburg was Prussian its easy to see why he made this cheap dig at Hitler.

An "Austrian identity" did not exist to the extent it does today, Austrians thought of themselves just as another type of Germans up until the mid 20th century.

The ridiculous idea that "Hitler was Austrian not German" is laughable, its correct to say he was not born a German citizen but he was an ethnic German Austrian. German-speaking Austrians are ethnic Germans.

Hitler had love for Austria because he considered Austria and Germany one of the same - he was a pan-German that believed in the 'Greater Germany' state and the unification of all Germans in this state.

OP: The idea Hitler had any Czech or Jewish ancestry is a myth. All of Hitler's ancestors show he was of ethnic German Austrian descent.

[J. Duncan]

Alois Hitler was the bastard son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber who worked as a domestic servant. Hans Frank was sent to investigate Hitler's ancestry and the grandfather is not known but Frank circulated the story that at one time Maria worked as a servant of a Jew named Frankenburger or Frankenreither which may or may not be true. She may also have had relations with a man or later married a man named Johann Nepomuk Hiedler, who later "adopted" Alois when he was age 39 and already successful and nobody really knows why Alois agreed to do this adoption - perhaps he wanted to be finally legitimate? Alois was already established as a Shicklgruber so changing his name was a strange move. The two men also had to get a priest to sign off on the deal. The name was registered as "Hitler" and so thus that is how "Adolfus Hitler" was later entered on his birth certificate. The whole thing smacks of irony as John Toland notes that one cannot imagine millions shouting "Heil Schicklgruber!". ( I'm working from memory from the john Toland biography).

[Wordsworth]

If I remember correctly, I think it was August Kubizek's book where he claimed that Adolf told him there was an inheritance his father was supposed to get if he took the name Hiedler. Considering Alois probably married Anna Glasl-Horer for her money, it's not surprising he might have changed his name for it. On the other hand, Johann Georg was a miller and probably didn't have much money. Maybe the inheritance was supposed to come from Johann Nepomuk instead?