Lebensraum

[Bravo]

Hey, I think I'm the new guy on the block so sorry if this has been posted before. What would Hitler have done had the war in the East been won? Would it have been new farmland? Or would he have built a German utopia? Thank you for any replies even if this has been talked to death on here.

[revans618]

I read somewhere, sorry I can't find the book right now, that it was to be mostly farmland colonized by German settlers with the few remaining Slavs as slaves working in the fields. There were planned cities as various strategic locations for trade and defense, much like medeviel castles, with the local gauleiter as the king. Hitler had planned to raze all Russian cities to the ground. The population that wasn't to be used as slaves were to be driven past the Ural mountains and kept there by the Army and the SS. They wanted a constant state of war along this border so they could keep their fighting trim.

Insanity, no?

[HaEn]

I read somewhere, sorry I can't find the book right now, that it was to be mostly farmland colonized by German settlers with the few remaining Slavs as slaves working in the fields. There were planned cities as various strategic locations for trade and defense, much like medeviel castles, with the local gauleiter as the king. Hitler had planned to raze all Russian cities to the ground. The population that wasn't to be used as slaves were to be driven past the Ural mountains and kept there by the Army and the SS. They wanted a constant state of war along this border so they could keep their fighting trim.

Insanity, no?

Could you quote some source of that story ???
I was not aware that A.H. planned to "raze" all Russian Cities.
Nor that he planned to have the Army "keep" them behind the Ural in a constant state of war.
I would really like to know which "historian" :roll: dreamed up this story.
regards
HN

[john2]

Some of this was supposed to have been said in the book "Hitler's Table Talk." I don't remember the exact quotes but Hitler supposedly said that "We won't settle in the Russian cities but shall let them go to pieces." He also is to have said that Moscow would be completely wiped out and turned into a giant lake. Also what revans618 didn't say is that a large part of the slavs who weren't to be needed would be starved to death. The nazis were said to be planning a massive famine that was going to wipe out most of the Slavic population. The remainder, who were to be slaves, were to be taught to read only well enough to read road signs so they didn't get run over. They were also to be taught that it was a divine commandment to obey all Germans. Note: I am not necessarily saying I believe the above to be true just saying a source where Hitler is supposed to have said this.

[HaEn]

We got to be careful with statements like these. Pretty soon someone will "parrot" it, without checking the facts, and after a while it becomes a "truth".
This is why the Waffen SS "en toto" have become criminals by association, throughout the years.

By the way did you know that there was a divison of Aliens from Mars in the SS ?? They are still hidden in antarctica in the German secret colony 'Neu Schwabenland"

HN

[mindstriker]

"Hey, I think I'm the new guy on the block so sorry if this has been posted before. What would Hitler have done had the war in the East been won? Would it have been new farmland? Or would he have built a German utopia?"

Well the following books may help you a little bit more than the desasterous statements given.

GERLACH, Chruistian: Kalkulierte Morde.

EICHHOLZ, Dietrich: Geschichte der duestchen Kriegswirtschaft. (3 vol.)

WERPUP, Josef: Ziele und Praxis der Kriegswirtschaft ...

DALLIN, Alexander: Deustche Herrschaft in Russland.

MÜLLER, R.-D.: Die deutsche Wirtschaftspolitik in den besetzten sowietischen Gebieten 1941-1943.

etc.

They all provide information on how Russia was to be treated.

bye-

M.[/quote]

[Steve]

Hitler 1936-1945 Nemesis - By Ian Kershaw Published 2000

Page 437. "This land that we have conquered with the blood of German sons, will never be surrendered. Some time later millions of German peasant families will be settled here in order to carry the thrust of the Reich far to the east".

Page 439. "If the weather stays favourable, he still wants to make the attempt to encircle Moscow and thereby abandon it to hunger and devastation".

Kershaw uses as his source for the above quotes Goebbels diary.

[HaEn]

As I used to tell my College students:
Try NOT to take writings of anybody, including mine, at face value.
Find out where they got their information, if you can, CHECK it !.
Most writers, including me have an agenda !
Now go and write your paper.

Amazing ! some of the result I got to see.

HN

[Kaan Caglar]

I read somewhere, sorry I can't find the book right now, that it was to be mostly farmland colonized by German settlers with the few remaining Slavs as slaves working in the fields. There were planned cities as various strategic locations for trade and defense, much like medeviel castles, with the local gauleiter as the king. Hitler had planned to raze all Russian cities to the ground. The population that wasn't to be used as slaves were to be driven past the Ural mountains and kept there by the Army and the SS. They wanted a constant state of war along this border so they could keep their fighting trim.

Insanity, no?

lol

Couldn't be put better, short and simple but telling all my feelings
Regards
Kaan

[Kim Sung]

http://www.sspanzer.net/Phantom/naziwin/naziwin05.htm

Die Landkarte des deutschen Lebensraums

[mindstriker]

Try NOT to take writings of anybody, including mine, at face value.
Find out where they got their information, if you can, CHECK it !.
Most writers, including me have an agenda !
Now go and write your paper.

Yeah!

[mindstriker]

http://www.sspanzer.net/Phantom/naziwin/naziwin05.htm

Die Landkarte des deutschen Lebensraums

What sense does it make to show a map like this without a proper legend?
It's not worth looking at it for it does not say anything!

What does it tell?
Who produced it?
What source is it based on?


M.

[revans618]

I read somewhere, sorry I can't find the book right now, that it was to be mostly farmland colonized by German settlers with the few remaining Slavs as slaves working in the fields. There were planned cities as various strategic locations for trade and defense, much like medeviel castles, with the local gauleiter as the king. Hitler had planned to raze all Russian cities to the ground. The population that wasn't to be used as slaves were to be driven past the Ural mountains and kept there by the Army and the SS. They wanted a constant state of war along this border so they could keep their fighting trim.

Insanity, no?

Could you quote some source of that story ???
I was not aware that A.H. planned to "raze" all Russian Cities.
Nor that he planned to have the Army "keep" them behind the Ural in a constant state of war.
I would really like to know which "historian" :roll: dreamed up this story.
regards
HN

Russia's War by Richard Overy. Page 62, "By August he had decided to seize the whole vast area streching from Archangel to Astrakhan and to populate it with fortified garrison cities, keeping the population under the permannent control of the master race, while a rump Asian state beyond the Urals, the Slavlands, would accomodate the rest of the Soviet people."
Since I doubt the Soviets would take to kindly to this, war is a given.

Masters of Death: the SS Einsatzgruppen and the Invention of the Holocaust by Richard Rhodes. Pages 92-93. I'm not going to reprint both pages but it is replete with these types of references to the Russians as the Germans wild west Indians, and therefore fit for extermination and slavery.

The Third Reich: A New History by Michael Burleigh. Pages 530-531."His constructive fantasies included huge roads raised on ridges so that the icy winds would clear the snow, while the traffic passed Kreis' monuments to the German dead."
"The space would be settled and shaped by veteran soldier-farmers from Germany, together with Danish, Norwegian and Swedish settlers in the north 'by special arrangment'. The settlers were to enjoy large farms; officialdom handsome headquarters' with 'palaces' for the regional governors."
Hitler's words, "We're not going to play at children's nurses: we're absolutely without obligations as far as these people are concerned. To struggle against the hovels, chase away the fleas, provide German teachers, bring our newspapers-very little of that for us!...For the rest, let them know just enough to understand our highway signs, so that they won't get themselves run over by our vehicles!"

Just three examples of what I said I had read.

[zeitgeist1]

Page 439. "If the weather stays favourable, he still wants to make the attempt to encircle Moscow and thereby abandon it to hunger and devastation".

Was this not from when the Germans were at war with the Soviet Union? ie, encircling them so they would have to surrender?

[Robert Rojas]

Greetings to both brother Bravo and the community as a whole. Well sir, in reference to your introductory posting of Wednesday - May 03, 2006 - 3:13am, old Uncle Bob would like to refer you to THE quintessential theoretician on the not so mundane topic of "land use policy" in Eastern Europe. The theoretician of which I speak is the undisputed grand Pooh-Bah of National Socialism itself - ADOLF HITLER. When the time avails itself, you might want to acquaint yourself with the all knowing Bohemian Corporal's droning ideological treatise entitled as MEIN KAMPF. The old paper hanger was quite unambiguous about his imperial aims in the hinterlands of the now defunct Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. I believe Der Fuhrer's own words will address the essence of your inquiry. ENJOY! Well, that's my initial two cents or pfennigs worth on this subject gravitating on European real estate - for now anyway. In anycase, I would like to bid you a copacetic day over in the Tarheel State.

Best Regards,
Uncle Bob