Picture WW2

[Kateleen]

Hey there..

My uncle gave me some more pictures, they are (maybe) from the same roll of film because the kind of photographic paper is pretty the same. So it could be possible that the previous monument is in that town. Are you able to recognise it?

[Kateleen]

Additional information! On one picture we were able to see a gravestone with the initials: JR 83 (what possible means: Jägerregiment 83) Is that the uniform of a Jägerregiment? Do you know that?
And it could be in the near of Schleswig (today Poland)..

[propwash]

Thank you Kateleen for the new pictures. I am still trawling the web and having a great time discovering new places and so much history. Sadly this does not help you in your quest. Many thanks for this intriguing thread......propwash

[Kateleen]

Well, okay. Does someone else has a clue?

[Heimatschuss]

Well, okay. Does someone else has a clue?

Me! Me! Me! PICK ME!

Hello Kateleen,

your hint to "JR 83" (probably meaning Infanterieregiment 83 here) was a good idea. The town in your photo is Rouen in France, seen from the Colline Sainte-Catherine hill. The large church with with three towers in the background is Cathédrale Notre Dame de Rouen. Compare the silouette of the towers with
http://egora.uni-muenster.de/ew/erasmus ... oRouen.jpg
http://www.frenchconnections.co.uk/_db/ ... alView.jpg
http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=h ... 0%26um%3D1

The last two pictures also show the tower of Saint Hilaire church that you can see on the main road (Rue Saint-Hilaire) in front of the cathedral in your photo. The large building to the right in your photo is Abbatiale Saint-Ouen de Rouen.

Similar vistas from Colline Sainte-Catherine hill here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zigazou76/ ... otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zigazou76/3581556809/


So at least a rough clue where to do further investigation for the obscure monument.

Best regards
Torsten

[Kateleen]

Wow, sehr gut !! Vielen Dank Yeah, ein Licht am Ende des dunklen dunklen wirklich dunklen Tunnels !!
That is realy amazing... thank you. (Both languages, so everybody does understand.)

Frankreich / France okay, well sounds great !! I will tell my uncle right away..

Do you have more information? You can write me a PM in german, that would work too.

[propwash]

Great work Heimatschuss. I have spent no time at all looking in France. Well done.

[Heimatschuss]

Hello again,

regarding your first photo I can see a <ahem> certain similarity to this thing which is actually the water plant at the corner of Rue Louis Ricard and Rue Sante-Marie in Rouen:

Rouen - Fontaine Sainte-Marie.jpg

Source: http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5Q-O820cHWY/RotlG ... _00242.jpg

Silly me, of course it had to be a water plant. All water plants in France look like this

Best regards
Torsten

[propwash]

I am happy this has been solved at last . I visited Rouen about 5 years ago and found it a lovely city.( However some one cloned my credit card in a restuarant). Well done .What will I do with all my spare time now.

[von Brackwede]

Great work Really good, I was mind-travelling in Central-Europe

And good for Kateleen to find an answer at last

Best wishes v. Br.

[Kateleen]

WOHUUUUUUUU !!! Amazing Yeah... Wunderbar!

Danke! Tank you all!

[von Brackwede]

I still wonder about the military signs. The LV. Armeekorps was not in Rouen as far as I can find out.

Lexikon der Wehrmacht (lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de) has this information about Standort Rouen/Flughafen Rouen:

Fronttruppenteile

245. Infanterie-Division
716. Infanterie-Division
Grenadier-Regiment 935
Grenadier-Regiment 936
Grenadier-Regiment 937
MG-Bataillon 16
Heeres-Artillerie-Abteilung 1146
schwere Artillerie-Abteilung (motorisiert)1151
Feld-Nachrichten-Kommandantur 3
Feld-Schalt-Abteilung 2
II./Sicherungs-Regiment 66
Sicherungs-Bataillon 853
Landesschützen-Bataillon 703
Landesschützen-Bataillon 704
Landesschützen-Bataillon 906
20. Marine-Kraftfahr-Abteilung
Flak-Regiment 100
10. Flugmelde-Reserve-Kompanie
20. Flugmelde-Leit-Kompanie
Stab / Jagdgeschwader 51
Stab / Zerstörergeschwader 26
I. / Zerstörergeschwader 26
III. / Zerstörergeschwader 26
I. / Jagdgeschwader 21
III. / Luftnachrichten-Regiment 11
I. / Zerstörergeschwader 1
gemischte Flak-Abteilung 672 (v)
schwere Flak-Abteilung 676 (v)
gemischte Flak-Abteilung 391 (v)
gemischte Flak-Abteilung 344 (v)
leichte Flak-Abteilung 84
leichte Flak-Abteilung 955

Ersatztruppenteile
Kommandobehörden / Dienststellen

Stadtkommandantur Rouen
O.K. 667
Platzkommandantur 11/517
O.K. (I) 432 Rouen
O.K. (I) 667 Rouen
O.K. (I) 842 Rouen
bodenständiger Artillerie-Kommandeur 117
Feldkommandantur 517
Feldkommandantur 814
Frontsammelstelle 8
Sonderbauleitung IV Rouen
Rüstungskommando
SD-Kommando Rouen

Einrichtungen

Stalag/Heilag 356
Frontstalag 122
Frontstalag 171

Regards, v. Br.

[Kateleen]

Hmmm, that doesnt fit with "JR 83 / IR 83" in your list are much higher numbers.
I know that he was a mechanician / engineer..

[Kateleen]

NEWS, my uncle and I found out:

- the name of "Jäger-Regiment 83" changed a couple of times
- on other pictures (we sill have more) is a man with just one arm left in uniform,
after searching my uncle found out that could might be: Oberst Bernhard Überscher, he was the Regimentskomandeur

Right now Peter Hoffmann wrote a book "Stauffenbergs Freunde" (Stauffenbergs friends) and I found out at google books, there is a picture in it with a guy with just one arm BUT at the bottom of the picture he is introduced as: Major Kurt Winter (Kommandeur, III Bataillon, Jäger-Regiment 83)

[von Brackwede]

In Lexikon der Wehrmacht you can also find this information http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/JagerReg/JReg83-R.htm:

Das Jäger-Regiment 83 wurde am 11. Dezember 1941 in Frankreich aufgestellt. Das Regiment entstand durch Umbenennung des Infanterie-Regiment 83. Das Regiment unterstand nach der Aufstellung der 28. leichte Division. Ab dem 1. Juli 1942 unterstand der Stab der 28. Jäger-Division.

Für die Ersatzgestellung des Regiments war das Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon 83, später Jäger-Ersatz-Bataillon 83, zuständig.

Regimentskommandeure:
Hartwig von Ludwiger (Aufstellung - 1942)
Oberst Bernhard Ueberschär (1944)

So, in short, the JR 83 was originally IR 83, it was part of the 28. light Inf.div, later the 28. Jäger.div.

The man far right on the pic is generalmajor G. H. von Ziehlberg :

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Heisterman_von_Ziehlberg

Best regards, v.Br.