Did Hitler survive?

[waldzee]

every morsel of evidence pertaining to the Hitler deaths should be re-examined by a body of impartial experts using the best scientific technology. The new results might prove exactly the same - which I doubt. Or, they might reveal important aspects that may shape the understanding.
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andrew Roberts of the Daily Mail rides to our rescue, Kilgore: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... uhrer.html

[BillHermann]

Simply put those who believe in the escape are trying to grasp for something. Turning Hitler into a superman or wanting to believe in a fairytale. I am not being rude but stating the obvious and seeing that we do not and may never know the full answers will unfortunatly allow the tales to evolve. Not saying that there may not be a surprise or two in the future with this story but the current facts have far more weight than the wild stories that are being written here or in the tabloids. Some being so far fetched that they are comical.

The arguments and deep analyzation of the amount of gas to the gunshot have little or know weight as well. Let's look at the gas for example, "there would not have been enough to destroy the bodies" that is an assumption, first of we know there were remains and second we are grasping for straws. We do not have th full story on the cremation, we never will and there could have been many other variables. I have done fire fighter training and gas does bun, 3 to 5 Jerry cans is nasty and I there was a mix with diesel fuel, even a small amount that pyre would have been hard to put out. That also does not account for other debris in the hole or after the bodies began to burn.

Simply put you want to believe in fantasy go for it but the answer is far more simple.

[The_Enigma]

When visiting some American friends recently, somehow or another I got told by three different members of the family on different occasions, that they had all heard that Hitler had survived the war. The story goes that their grandfather who was in the USAAF iirc, was an armed escort on a transport plane flying back from Europe to the United States. Their grandfather, who “never lied in his life”, saw Hitler on the plane.

Personally I think their old man misidentified someone picked up during Operation Paperclip, if his story of being an armed escort to a German being flow back *somewhere* is correct (or was part of a game of Chinese whispers: we have one of Hitler’s scientists on board eventually ending up as being Hitler). On the other hand, he could have just been telling a tall tale that has gotten out of hand (my own great-grandfather – a veteran of the war- told my mother when she was a child than he personally killed Hitler. As a child she naturally believed him until someone put her straight a short while later LOL).

The above, i feel serves as evidence as to why rumours of Hitler’s survival of the war persist even outside of neo-nazi circles. Cases of rumour/misidentification/gossip that have gotten out of hand etc.

[Annelie]

Was watching the history channel about Father Crespi in Argentina on all the interesting art work
he collected or was given during his time there. Article says he died 1993 but television production says
1983.

Father Krespi’s background is also mysterious, and does in fact go along with Magda’s accounts of what happened. Krespi claims he is from an Italian/Austrian family in Northern Italy. He came to the Vatican in fall of 1943. There, he attended seminary and served as a Novitiate. Later, he was ordained into the priesthood. All this was behind the closed walls of the Vatican. Unheard at the time, and has never been repe
ated since. He never set foot outside of Vatican City, a city with the status and diplomatic immunity of a sovereign nation. Krespi was given a position as Curator of Art for the Vatican Achieves, a position far above his humble rank as Novitiate.

His position made him responsible for cataloging a collection of art worth billions of dollars. He would also have been in a position to receive priceless art collections, similar to those that had been looted by the Nazis and somehow fell into the hands of the Vatican after the war.

Krespi spoke fluent Italian with a perfect accent. Magda later pointed out the fact that Hitler’s mother was from Northern Italy and spoke Italian as her first language. Hitler himself learned Italian as his first language, and spoke Italian almost always in Italian until he was around 12
years old. He would even revert to Italian when he was angry, and never used an interpreter when he met with Mussolini.

In 1956, Krespi was sent as a priest to the town of Cuence in Ecuador. A town known to Nazis Hunters as a hideout of Martin Borman and other high level Nazis that had escaped Germany. There, he lived a reclusive life as village priest and reportedly gave money to every member of his congregation at the conclusion of services. He also reportedly paid the villagers to protect his mission. Villagers say German men often visited him.

In 1993, Father Krespi died, reportedly at the age of 90. More than 2000 people attended his funeral, which was marked with ceremony rivaling that of a King. He was laid to rest in a white marble sepulcher, which is still reported to be cleaned weekly, and adorned with flowers constantly, all paid for by anonymous admirers.

After his passing, some interesting things were discovered about him. He left behind millions of dollars worth of artwork. Magda and others later identified much of this artwork as belonging to the private collection of Adolph Hitler. Hitler was a known collector of art, and most of his private collection was never found after the war. Witnesses say that soon after the funeral on May 16 1993, two cargo jets were loaded with Father Krespi’s art collection and departed. It has never been seen again.

The Chief of Police for the town of Cuence reported that what he termed as “teams of European men” invaded the small town the day prior to the funeral. Several attendees of the funeral were German, and had armed escorts.

Is it possible that the most evil man in the history of the world escaped justice and posed as a man of God for 40 years? We may never know, but it is something to think about…

(Article extract from BBC & A.M. Pretty II)

Father Crespi

There is a lot more to the story which starts at the beginning. Just when I thought I heard it all there is more!
Don't know about the Hitler angle but the man is most interesting.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arque ... ayos02.htm

[Ironmachine]

Hitler himself learned Italian as his first language, and spoke Italian almost always in Italian until he was around 12
years old. He would even revert to Italian when he was angry, and never used an interpreter when he met with Mussolini.

Is this really true? Because there seems to be ample evidence on the contrary. For example, in this thread:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=35046
it is said that it was Mussolini who spoke German, instead of Hitler speaking Italian. There is also a reference to Eugen Dollmann being the translator, and in wiki you can find this:

On 20 July 1944 Dollmann was official interpreter at the meeting of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, at the Wolfsschanze, immediately after The 20 July plot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Dollmann
Even at the time it was reported that if they talked without an interpreter it was because Mussolini spoke German, not because Hitler spoke Italian, and that Hitler did have interpreters. See for example this report (source: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 19,6073606) in the The Lewiston Daily Sun of 15 June 1934:

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So it seems that at least this part of the article is wrong.

[Annelie]

I don't believe anything in the article written by someone with great imagination, whom probably only wanted
lots hits on his website. Hitler probably being Father Crespi, unbelievable. How they could take a man
loved by the South Americans and get him involved with Hitler and his art, well the guy has way too much
time on his hands as the saying goes.

[Jim S]

It seems like the newspaper article from 1934 isn't entirely correct either, I don't think Hitler was ever a "house painter".

[J. Duncan]

Total B.S. - Hitler never learned a foreign language...he knew a few foreign words here and there (like many of us), but he only spoke German fluently. Kudos to ironmachine for catching a "whopper".

[uhu]

No big deal. I just browsed through "Ratline" by Peter Levenda, it seems Mr. and Mrs. Hitler made their way out of the bunker, assumed a new set of names and lived happily ever after. Another possibility is that Hanna flew him out. Lots of other stuff you haven't seen anywhere else, for example Martin Bormann's escape, believed to have been to Paraguay. I guess history never has found the seaplane pilot that flew the Hitlers from Lake Havel for their honeymoon. Now there's a guy that should have written a book!

[panzerplatten]

An older thread on here as to what language other than German hitler knew, and some interesting points,

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... r+language
Mark.

[Oscarruben]

During the years he lived in ARGENTINA, Herr Hitler only remained Wolf, never had another name. Heinrich "Gestapo" Muller died in San Juan ARGENTINA and Hermann Fegelein died in Bariloche. ERIK PRIEBCKE was also a translator of Italian and was Hitler's confidence.
Martin Bormann always said she died in Anhalter station nearby, a few years ago his body was found by some workmen who were digging. It proved Bormann's body, but a scientific analysis on his corpse was found that the land that was attached to his skeleton was not the same for the city of Berlin but was red earth. That red land is only found in PARAGUAY y (MISIONES) ARGENTINA. This can be seen in a documentary of the History Channell. I think it is my opinion that was taken from a cemetery PARAGUAY secretly to Germany, and then happened to find his body to confirm the history of the victors. Again can search the CHANNELL HISTORY.

[panzerplatten]

Reminds me of this story,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 9q6bSIWAgo

Mark

[waldzee]

Hitler himself learned Italian as his first language, and spoke Italian almost always in Italian until he was around 12
years old. He would even revert to Italian when he was angry, and never used an interpreter when he met with Mussolini.

Is this really true? Because there seems to be ample evidence on the contrary. For example, in this thread:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=35046
it is said that it was Mussolini who spoke German, instead of Hitler speaking Italian. There is also a reference to Eugen Dollmann being the translator, and in wiki you can find this:

On 20 July 1944 Dollmann was official interpreter at the meeting of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini, at the Wolfsschanze, immediately after The 20 July plot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Dollmann
Even at the time it was reported that if they talked without an interpreter it was because Mussolini spoke German, not because Hitler spoke Italian, and that Hitler did have interpreters. See for example this report (source: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 19,6073606) in the The Lewiston Daily Sun of 15 June 1934:

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So it seems that at least this part of the article is wrong.

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AFAIR they communicated by dumping bowls on spaghetti on each other...


Unless charlie chaplin got it wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8rig1NDrjs

[Oscarruben]

I understand that it is difficult for you to believe what I say. But I live in ARGENTINA and here came all appointed and tests are here. They also lived the SS General Hans Juttner, Josep Mengele (this has a street named in BLACK RIO) and Adolf Eichmann.

[Annelie]

Oscar,

What do you mean

here came all appointed and tests are here

Could you explain a little more please. I know about Mengele and others in Argentina
its all over the history channels here repeatedly.