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Post by Lynn R » 17 Mar 2013, 13:19

Isn't it odd that there are no pictures of regular citizens at service or pursuing church-related activities?

btw prior to Nazi rule Wehrmacht officers were required to attend church reasonably regularly.

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Post by Paul Warzecha » 18 Mar 2013, 02:25

German War Memorial in Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://i.imgur.com/l3v8Rcl.jpg
Old Postcard of Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://www.ozimek.pl/static/img/k01/not ... nnik_2.jpg


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Post by Paul Warzecha » 18 Mar 2013, 03:40

German War Memorial in Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://i.imgur.com/l3v8Rcl.jpg
Old Postcard of Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://www.ozimek.pl/static/img/k01/not ... nnik_2.jpg

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Post by Lynn R » 18 Mar 2013, 04:17

I'd hardly call anything with Ludwig Müller an honestly religious life, unless one considers Nazism/Germany a religion in the manner Hitler did...

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Post by Paul Warzecha » 19 Mar 2013, 03:42

German War Memorial in Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://i.imgur.com/l3v8Rcl.jpg
Old Postcard of Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://www.ozimek.pl/static/img/k01/not ... nnik_2.jpg

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Post by Paul Warzecha » 19 Mar 2013, 03:43

German War Memorial in Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://i.imgur.com/l3v8Rcl.jpg
Old Postcard of Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://www.ozimek.pl/static/img/k01/not ... nnik_2.jpg

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Post by RJ55 » 19 Mar 2013, 04:20

Lynn R wrote:I'd hardly call anything with Ludwig Müller an honestly religious life, unless one considers Nazism/Germany a religion in the manner Hitler did...
I think that if people are good, it is despite religion, rather than because of it. The main problem is not the existence or non-existence of gods [there being no evidence of gods at all], but rather the habit of religious people in assuming that they know what god wants.
As faith is not an evidence-based way of thinking by definition, it does not matter what that object of faith is. Thus people can have faith in a ideology like Communism or Fascism, or in some god or religious creed. Either way, as soon as evidence is not required for the establishment of facts, trouble is almost certain to follow.
Religions always appeal to authority rather than facts, and tend to be heirarchial, and don't like skeptics. One party organisations/states like to be one-eyed also, so religions and fanatacism tend make good bedfellows. Gott Mit Uns, and all that jazz.
Hitler was living, and hence Nazism was a cult, wheras in religions the leaders [like Christ] are usually dead. They both have zero evidence for their claims, whether it be Aryian superiority or Christ's "miracles" of loaves and fishes. For some reason, the more outlandish the claim, the more some people want it to be true.

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Post by Lynn R » 19 Mar 2013, 05:35

All three major branches of Abrahamic faith claim Gott mit uns, but that doesn't mean every individual is a fanatic, more or less a violent fanatic, and that's the problem with viewing through such a wide lens - details, nuance, differentiation are lost. The rise of con men who don the cloak of religion to mask ulterior motive are as old as belief itself. And if religion weren't available they'd find something else to hide behind.

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The Hanzar Division 1943. Nazi Muslims engaged in prayer.

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Post by Paul Warzecha » 19 Mar 2013, 07:00

German War Memorial in Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://i.imgur.com/l3v8Rcl.jpg
Old Postcard of Biestrzynnik (Biestrzinnik/Ringwalde)http://www.ozimek.pl/static/img/k01/not ... nnik_2.jpg

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Post by RJ55 » 19 Mar 2013, 10:17

Lynn R wrote:All three major branches of Abrahamic faith claim Gott mit uns, but that doesn't mean every individual is a fanatic, more or less a violent fanatic, and that's the problem with viewing through such a wide lens - details, nuance, differentiation are lost. The rise of con men who don the cloak of religion to mask ulterior motive are as old as belief itself. And if religion weren't available they'd find something else to hide behind.

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The Hanzar Division 1943. Nazi Muslims engaged in prayer.
That is very true Lynn R. However, religions are mostly regarded in most societies as "Sacred Cows" [forgive the bad pun]. But if it is about politics, then everything in that is fair game if there is any freedom of speech at all.

Yet there is a trend towards bodies like the United Nations [and many of its member states] to outlaw blasphemy. The reason why many evil people use religion is that it IS such a good cloak.

And in the old days when Church and State were fused [and some places even today] rebelling against a Lord was not only treasion, but heresy also. Alledgidly, people's "souls" were at risk.

So long as belief is private, then who cares? Enjoy whatever. The problem is that too many people WANT their religion and beliefs to be part of public life. There are some good secular religious people, and some are firm friends. But there are many more that and to interfere in public life and the wishes of others in many areas of public policy, education, medicine and so on. These people do not use logic or evidence to state their case, but some argument of morality based on their god or religion.

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Post by Rivet » 21 Mar 2013, 00:47

Thank you all very much for the photographs. It is most appreciated.

Would anyone have photographs of religious life in other Axis nations (e.g., Hungary, Rumania, etc.) or occupied territories (e.g., Norway, France, Greece, etc.)? Thanks again. :)
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Post by von thoma » 22 Mar 2013, 09:57

But it's a pagan ritual under the SS rules.
SS christening of a child born through the RuSHA's Lebensborn program in 1936.
" The right to believe is the right of those who don't know "

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Post by RJ55 » 22 Mar 2013, 12:14

von thoma wrote:
But it's a pagan ritual under the SS rules.
SS christening of a child born through the RuSHA's Lebensborn program in 1936.
Many Christian dates and ceremonies actually originated from pagan faiths. Chistians stole them and made them thier own, including "Christmas".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Paganism

And Genesis, the virgin birth myth were all dreamed up and present in early Babylonian, Egyptian an other religious traditions of the mid east region. So Christians other Abrahmic religions can't even claim to be the orinators of a good yarn-they plaigerised the bulk of it. Jesus myth has roots in the Egyptian Horus, and so on.

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