Surname Hitler - is there German verb "hitlen"

[Topspeed]

...Heil, Herr Kirch-krank (Hail, Mr.Church-ill)

Humm... I believe that would be: Heil, Herr Kirchehügel ( Church-Hill).

considering it's a name..it does not get translated.

But he was making a joke.....Kirch Krank means Church Ill,Not church Hill.


I don't get the joke though.

I think it is the pronounciation...tzöötz-hill...makes it a Church Hill... 8)

[Acts 2/38]

Personally I find it incredible that, under the circumcstances, everyone in the world with the name "Hitler" hasn't changed their last name to Smith, Jones, Schmidt, Pokrzwinski, anything but Hitler. Can you immagine being saddled with that name, and suffering through twelve years of school?

[Alp Guard]

Personally I find it incredible that, under the circumcstances, everyone in the world with the name "Hitler" hasn't changed their last name to Smith, Jones, Schmidt, Pokrzwinski, anything but Hitler. Can you immagine being saddled with that name, and suffering through twelve years of school?

I didn't find any Hitler in the german electronic phone book, but several Himmlers, Goebbels and a H. Göring

[Acts 2/38]

I am not surprised. There is a Martin Bormann out there, also, who is a priest.

[Manfred-V]

The priest Martin Bormann ist Nazi-Bormann´s son.
Adolf Hitler`s birthplace was Braunau/Inn at the austrian-bavarian border. It´s neither near Czechoslovakia nor is there a bohemian minority. Hitler`s father and his ancestors came from the "Waldviertel", a region in the north of Niederösterreich, close to the Czech border.(there were some czech people)
In fact, the name comes from Hiedler (Hütte = cottage, hut) which was still mentioned here. There were rumors that Hitler ancestors could have been jews or Czech people, but there was no evidence. The names of Hitler ancestors can be found in old churchbooks. They were all poor farmers or forrest workers.
A lot of information can be found in a book from austrian historian Brigitte Hamann (only available in german): Hitlers Wien, Pieper Munich 1998.

[Acts 2/38]

Considering the grief that the present pope has had to deal with, for the misfortune of having once been a teenage draftee in the Wehrmacht, one can only surmise that Father Bormann's cross must have been a heavy one. I have heard that there are relatives of Hitler's living in Austria, and once heard that he fathered a child while on active duty in France. If these are true, one's heart can only go out to these people.

[Manfred-V]

Maybe there are some Hiedlers in Austria from other branches of the familiy, but I think they are'nt direct relatives to Alois Hitler sen. Adolfs brother Alois jun. married an irish women and they had a son Patric Hitler - what happened to him?
There is no evidence and I can't believe that Adolf ever had children. Was he able to have sex? This is one of the big secrets in his life.

[Acts 2/38]

You are correct about having no proof of Hitler having children. I only relate what I once read in a magazine article, & that was years ago. And we all know how trustworthy magazines are. However: Even a blind pig can find an acorn occasionally. In any case, you are correct in your other statement as well. The man's sex life will be an enduring mystery forever.

[jkkurz2]

To respond to the original title of this thread, I came across this sentence in the Wikipedia: "According to some historians, Austrofascism was a contrived and desperate attempt to "outhitler" ("überhitlern") the Nazis, a term used by Dollfuß himself."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrofascism

[Auseklis]

There was a good TV-Docu about 2 weeks ago.

If you understand German check out that page:

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/22/0,187 ... 18,00.html

especialy this sub-page:

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/1/0,1872,2273281,00.html

This page contains information about Aloisia Veit, Hitlers mentaly deranged second cousin, which was killed in 1940.

Seems Adolfs familiy was suffering from some genetically caused schizophrenia...

[Penn Brezhon]

...Heil, Herr Kirch-krank (Hail, Mr.Church-ill)

Humm... I believe that would be: Heil, Herr Kirchehügel ( Church-Hill).

Good evening to you all!
Sorry to disagree in this reply: Churchill comes from the french as their ancestors were dukes of COURSEULLES. Pronounced in the Normandy way of speaking, it sounds almost like shure-shull, that gave Churchill which has no sense!
For the origin of Hitler name, his father Alois was born in 1837 in Döllersheim from unknown father. Five years after this birth, Maria Anna Schicklgruber maried Johann Georg Hiedler. Alois grew up under authority of Johann Nepomuk, brother of Johann Georg (note that Nepomuk is a common czech name, and Pomuk-Nepomuk is the name of the czech town where St Jean-de-Nepomuk was born in 1340). In 1876, Aloïs was 39 years-old, Maria Anna had died 29 years before, and Johann Georg had died 19 years before. In that year 1876, Aloïs, who was already a customs officer, asked Johann Nepomuk to see Döllersheim priest with three witnesses (Josef Romeder, Johann Breiteneder and Engelbert Paukh) to have the birth certificate modified so: the words "natural son" were changed to "legal son", after "father" was written "Georg Hitler, catholic religion, living in Spital" the other sentences added certified that "Georg Hitler is [note the use of this verb] well-known by the witnesses". All that is surprising: is the name HITLER of Alois' choice? sounding better for a customs officer? Note that the changes are neither dated, nor signed, and Georg Hitler (Hiedler) was "living"... in the cemetery! Adolf Hitler was born in Braunau-am-Inn because Alois was customs officer and thus frequently changing place of living, but the family came from Weitra, Spital, Döllersheim, Strones... all towns near the czech border. On the other side, questioning Internet with "Nepomuk Hidlarczek", even with "Hidlarczek" alone, doesn't give answers from czech sites, but only from german-writing or english-writing sites (writing about Adolf Hitler origins...). Would someone ask with a little difference in spelling (HITAREK gives several answers)? Maybe, as for Churchill, it could be necessary to detour? - Good evening to all of you
Two other points: the birth certificate of Adolf Hitler bears the name "Adolfus" but there are other strange mistakes: the family of the mother is written "Klara Hitler, daughter of Johanna Hitler" though the father of Klara was named Pölzl, and had married Johanna Hiedler, not Hitler... Another Aloïs' choice ? - Second point : Adolf Hitler was not racist about czechs, as he accepted "Gustl" Kubizek (Kubiczek in czech spelling) as his best friend, such a good friend that, on an official ceremony after Anschluss, he detoured the official Mercedes car to shake Kubizek's hand...

[ManfredV]

Many Austrian have czech or other slavic ancestors. But there's no evidence that Hitler had. More probably Hiedler is original (german)austrian. Hiedler and Hüttler still can be found in Austria. Hiedler, Hüttler, Hüttl and other combinations and also names like Häusler, Hausler etc. mean: the ancestors were poor farmers, farm labourers, tenants etc.
Hitler's ancestors in poor Waldviertel were those people.
Why did Alois choose Hitler instead of Hiedler? Maybe he thought a tough Hitler is more german "zackig" than a gentle soft austrian Hiedler? More simple: in their rough Waldviertel dialect they prounenced the name Hiedler like Hitler, so why not take it? In those time they didn't have clear rules for spelling and people often used different versions. F.e, austrian writer Rosegger was also writen Rosseger and Roßegger.
When Alois was born, many poorer people couldn't marry, so there were a lot of illegitimate children. When laws changed and civil registration came up, many of them tried to get "legalized". Maybe Alois thought, for a carreer as K.u.k. customer it would be better to have a "legitimate" father.
Well, he and his witnesses came from a small village, so they might have excatly known who was Alois' father.

[Penn Brezhon]

Good evening, Manfred - your reply is very interesting. I do agree: as you write, there's no evidence that A.H had czech ancestors. About the Czechs, Kubizek wrote that A.H was angry about, among the Czechs, those who tried to dominate the german-speaking Austrians; he didn't write A.H hate every Czech. - On the third point, you write that many poorer people couldn't marry: that is important to notice. Several serious historians, Ian Kershaw is one of them, tried to find hidden shameful reasons to explain why Aloïs was an illegitimate child. Ian Kershaw proposed, with no clue, that Nepomuk was the father. If I follow you, and why not, lack of money was a sufficient reason. And that would match with the other points: the witnesses used present tense because they lacked instruction; they pronounced 'Hitler' and were probably unable to spell it because they lacked instruction. Pushing these thinkings further could explain why A.H had the cemetery of his ancestors destroyed by military manoeuvres: he wasn't proud of them. Kubizek noticed that A.H used to wear such clothes that he seemed of a higher origin than he was; he also noticed several times an elegant stick with ivory handle, a little too elegant. In the same way, years later, A.H mocked Himmler researches with Ahnenerbe; A.H said with no humour that Himmler could only discover that elder europeans were building huts while the Chinese and the Egyptians were building marble palaces. A.H was not very proud of those early europeans... - Really, your reply is very interesting! - PS: two questions more, and two notes: how would you translate zackig? What does K.u.K mean exactly? note that "Hitlers Wien" was translated in french (la Vienne d'Hitler - édition des Syrtes) in 2001. Note also that Ian Kershaw searched for A.H origins because socialist opponents built, in the years '30s, the hoax that A.H had a jewish origin, giving names as Frankenberger to seem more believable. Ian Kershaw discovered that there was no rich Jew in this area in 1837, and no Frankenberger. - Good evening!

[Penn Brezhon]

Maybe there are some Hiedlers in Austria from other branches of the familiy, but I think they are'nt direct relatives to Alois Hitler sen. Adolfs brother Alois jun. married an irish women and they had a son Patric Hitler - what happened to him?
There is no evidence and I can't believe that Adolf ever had children. Was he able to have sex? This is one of the big secrets in his life.

Good evening - William Patrick Hitler was born in 1911 and died in 1987. He was the unique son of AloÏs junior (1882-1956) who married in London the irish Bridget Dowling (1891-1969). During the years '20s, William Patrick was engineer in London, and had visited Germany in 1929 and 1930, where he met Angela Raubal, Geli Raubal and (briefly) Adolf Hitler. William Patrick was interviewed for Evening standard, Evening news, and american other newspapers; so he was asked in Berlin by Adolf Hitler (in 1930) to modify the interviews, saying Adolf and him were not family related. So he returned to London, gave the interviews in this way, but, as the SA were getting bad reputation, he and his mother Bridget had lost their jobs. In 1933, Adolf became german Chancelor; meanwhile William Patrick had asked austrian embassy for copies of birth certificates, trying to confirm he was no directly related to Adolf; the copies proved that the relation did exist. William Patrick wrote an angry letter to Adolf, writing that he had copies of the birth certificates, proving they were related. Adolf, after a delay, found a job in Berlin for William Patrick who accepted, with a salary lower than he had in London; William Patrick complained to Adolf in several letters. In june 1934, during the night of the long knives, William Patrick was held by SS and kept in Lichterfelde barracks with SA chiefs, but british embassy claimed promptly that he was still a british citizen; so Adolf freed him. In 1938, several weeks after Anschluss, William Patrick was convoked by Adolf who gave him order to change for german nationality. William Patrick agreed in words but flew quickly to England and he and his mother Bridget emigrated to the USA. In 1944 he joined the american Navy. After the war, he changed name for Stuart-Houston, married and had three sons: Alexander-Adolf, Brian and Louis. Born 11 august 1949, the psychologist Alexander-Adolf Stuart-Houston lives in Patchogue, Brokenhave, New York and seems to make no mistery about his family, as he has a page in Wikipedia. - Good evening

[mil-archive]

According to this link here Alois Hitler worked as a waiter in Dublin's Shelbourne Hotel, where he met Bridget who came from Kilnamanagh, Tallaght, in south Dublin.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.ph ... 466.0.html