Vehicles used by Sipo/SD
Hello!
I've attached another picture of police vehicles during the great raids in 1933.
It shows Adler Standard L6 phaetons (Kripo) and NAG Streifenwagen (Schupo - later called Orpo).
Short summary:
* SiPo cars for lower grades were MB W136/170 V (1936+) and rests of Hanomag 4/23-OTP* (1932+).
* SiPo cars for higher grades ("Polizei-Führungswagen") were Hanomag Sturm-OTP* (1939+) and Adler Diplomat (1938+).
(*OTP means "Offener Tourenwagen Polizei"/"Open Touring car Police")
* The only "special vehicles" I know were used by the homicide squads of the Kripo and were called "Mordautos" or "Tatortwagen"/crime scene units (see my first reply).
* Police vans or "Mannschaftswagen" were issued to the Schutzpolizei or later Ordnungspolizei like Opel Blitz trucks.
* "Streifenwagen" were used by the "Überfallkommandos" or "flying squads" like the NAG truck on the photo I've attached.
* Small patrol cars were the MB 170 V/W 136 "Kübelsitzwagen" or also motorcycles (made by Victoria and BMW). [Also radio cars were used (in Berlin 1936 Adler Diplomat sedans and in Hamburg 1938 Adler Diplomat sedans).]
* Other special vehicles I know are the armoured cars made by Daimler-Benz (I've attached two pictures of them).
By the way: Another notable unit was the "motorized constabulary" or "motorisierte Gendarmerie" which patroulled the "Reichsautobahnen" in Wanderer W35 OTP's and W40 OTP's.
Hope this helps!
Heini
I've attached another picture of police vehicles during the great raids in 1933.
It shows Adler Standard L6 phaetons (Kripo) and NAG Streifenwagen (Schupo - later called Orpo).
Short summary:
* SiPo cars for lower grades were MB W136/170 V (1936+) and rests of Hanomag 4/23-OTP* (1932+).
* SiPo cars for higher grades ("Polizei-Führungswagen") were Hanomag Sturm-OTP* (1939+) and Adler Diplomat (1938+).
(*OTP means "Offener Tourenwagen Polizei"/"Open Touring car Police")
* The only "special vehicles" I know were used by the homicide squads of the Kripo and were called "Mordautos" or "Tatortwagen"/crime scene units (see my first reply).
* Police vans or "Mannschaftswagen" were issued to the Schutzpolizei or later Ordnungspolizei like Opel Blitz trucks.
* "Streifenwagen" were used by the "Überfallkommandos" or "flying squads" like the NAG truck on the photo I've attached.
* Small patrol cars were the MB 170 V/W 136 "Kübelsitzwagen" or also motorcycles (made by Victoria and BMW). [Also radio cars were used (in Berlin 1936 Adler Diplomat sedans and in Hamburg 1938 Adler Diplomat sedans).]
* Other special vehicles I know are the armoured cars made by Daimler-Benz (I've attached two pictures of them).
By the way: Another notable unit was the "motorized constabulary" or "motorisierte Gendarmerie" which patroulled the "Reichsautobahnen" in Wanderer W35 OTP's and W40 OTP's.
Hope this helps!
Heini
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Hi Bill,
it´s a Mercedes-Benz L1500S, Leichtes Löschgruppenfahrzeug LLG (later LF8), small pumper.
It belonged to units of the Feuerlöschpolizei. Since 1938 the municipal fire brigades were
associated with the police. Feuerlöschregimenter (fire police regiments) were often send to
occupied countries.
Greetings
Thomas
it´s a Mercedes-Benz L1500S, Leichtes Löschgruppenfahrzeug LLG (later LF8), small pumper.
It belonged to units of the Feuerlöschpolizei. Since 1938 the municipal fire brigades were
associated with the police. Feuerlöschregimenter (fire police regiments) were often send to
occupied countries.
Greetings
Thomas
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Here are other pictures of the Feuerlöschpolizei also showing a Mannschaftswagen.
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1769 ... re15hs.jpg
Picture come from an expired E-bay sale .
Regards
Sander
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1769 ... re15hs.jpg
Picture come from an expired E-bay sale .
Regards
Sander
Hi Sander,
on the left (above) we have a Ford V8 3t with front pump as a kind of Kraftfahrspritze.
Without the rear body to be seen, it´s difficult to say more precisely, what it is.
Left below is a Ford BB with a Opel Blitz 3t behind.
On the right in both pics there is Magirus M30S as KS15 (Kraftfahrspritze 15) with (for fire
protection use) uncommon one-axle-trailer.
Very nice find!
Greetings
Thomas
on the left (above) we have a Ford V8 3t with front pump as a kind of Kraftfahrspritze.
Without the rear body to be seen, it´s difficult to say more precisely, what it is.
Left below is a Ford BB with a Opel Blitz 3t behind.
On the right in both pics there is Magirus M30S as KS15 (Kraftfahrspritze 15) with (for fire
protection use) uncommon one-axle-trailer.
Very nice find!
Greetings
Thomas
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I am a bit late in joining this discussion. Police, Fire and Security Police vehicles had specific license plate numeration indication branch and location. In addition, command flags were used by general grade, staff and field grade officers and their formations from 1937 for the Order Police, from 1941 for the Feuerwehr and from 1942 for the Security Police. In 2002 I wrote an article on this subject published in the magazine "The Military Advisor". I include several original photos of police vehicles with command flags shown.Heini wrote:Hello Doggowitz:
It's rather difficult to answer this because the Kripo units for example used special vehicles especially equipped with crime fighting tools ("Kriminaltechnik"/"Spurensicherungsmaterial") for crime scene investigation. Like the "Mordautos" ("homicide cars"). These were big black Maybach sedans of the 27/120-W-5 series and later (from 1928) W-5-SG series. I've attached a picture of the Maybach "Mordauto" used by the Kriminalpolizei-Leitstelle Berlin.
Sipo detectives of higher service grades (Kriminalkommissar/SS-Obersturmführer and higher) are driven normally Adler "Standard L6" sedans ("L6" = the Longer version of the "Standard 6A" sedan). They were built from 1928 - 30. After that point no new cars were purchased for a while.
The first new police cars were purchased in 1936. The new vehicles of Sipo detectives of the higher service grades (see above) were 1938 model Adler "Diplomat" sedans. (They replaced the Adler Standard L6 sedans.)
The "Mordautos" as well as the officer's cars were driven by (plain clothes) chauffeurs.
Sipo members of lower pay grades often driven "normal" cars (by themselves without chauffeurs) like the Mercedes-Benz 170 V sedan. Police cars for Sipo detectives were rare in the Reich, because most of them were sent to the front lines.
It's proven that Gestapo members sometimes used their own private cars just for camouflage.
Sipo verhicles had NO insignia - they were completely unmarked. Like Sipo detectives had NO uniforms per se.
The license plate were civilian ones - like "IA" for Berlin or "IIA" for Munich etc. (camouflage!).
If there are still any questions I'll try to answer them!
Best wishes!
Heini
A bit late, I find that there was an error in the editing of the section on security police. I am preparing an addendum to my article and wonder if any forum members have photos of vehicles of the security police showing these command flags on the front fenders. I would appreciate any assistance.
In addition, a photo in Andrew Mollo's book on the Security Police shows a roll call of security police in Poland, with a vehicle shown bearing the national police insignia on the car door.
Re: Vehicles used by Sipo/SD
I think that these fine-looking charabancs may fall within the scope of this thread.
Kerry.
Kerry.
Re: Vehicles used by Sipo/SD
Hello Max and all,
First, sorry for posting in the wrong thread, I have no knowledge in this area and assumed the photo was relevant.
Max, I have tried a bit of enhancement on the original and, whilst still a little fuzzy, I did manage to isolate the furthest number as IA 1645, the nearer one was also, in my opinion IA, but the numbers are indistinct.
I hope that this is of some help, perhaps it will pinpoint the location at least.
Thanks again,
Kery.
First, sorry for posting in the wrong thread, I have no knowledge in this area and assumed the photo was relevant.
Max, I have tried a bit of enhancement on the original and, whilst still a little fuzzy, I did manage to isolate the furthest number as IA 1645, the nearer one was also, in my opinion IA, but the numbers are indistinct.
I hope that this is of some help, perhaps it will pinpoint the location at least.
Thanks again,
Kery.
Re: Vehicles used by Sipo/SD
Hello again,
This is most bizarre, I just replied to a reply from Maxschnauzer, but it has disappeared whilst I was typing. He had said that he thought, in light of the Reichswehr number plate the photo was not proper to this thread, but he was interested in the registrations on the other vehicles.
Also, further to my reply, I see above that IA was the code for Berlin.
Sorry for my obvious confusion,
Kerry.
This is most bizarre, I just replied to a reply from Maxschnauzer, but it has disappeared whilst I was typing. He had said that he thought, in light of the Reichswehr number plate the photo was not proper to this thread, but he was interested in the registrations on the other vehicles.
Also, further to my reply, I see above that IA was the code for Berlin.
Sorry for my obvious confusion,
Kerry.
Re: Vehicles used by Sipo/SD
Hi Kerry,
Your "fine-looking charabancs" are police vehicles I think, maybe police vans (Polizei-Mannschaftswagen) or vans of so called flying squadrons (Überfallkommando). They could be NAG vehicles, the type D 6, D 7 or NAG-Protos type 201 or 204. Here a pic of such a vehicle from from Holger´s site (his ID: NAG-Protos).
Regards
Bert
Your "fine-looking charabancs" are police vehicles I think, maybe police vans (Polizei-Mannschaftswagen) or vans of so called flying squadrons (Überfallkommando). They could be NAG vehicles, the type D 6, D 7 or NAG-Protos type 201 or 204. Here a pic of such a vehicle from from Holger´s site (his ID: NAG-Protos).
Regards
Bert
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