Interesting eBay pics

[Sander D]

nice pics

Some maintenace on a sdkfz 251-9 aufs D
Old E-bay pic



Regards

Sander
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[FRANCY RITTER]

Great Sander very nice pic .
Another two pics from old ebay auction

[TadPortly]

Great Stummel pics.

[TadPortly]

David and Goliath:



France or Russia?



German navy with STUG/PZ III Chassis



Captured Laffly?



Somua/Kegresse halftrack possibly in Balkans?

[TadPortly]

[sir dude]

Hello all,found this one? ebay.
Adrian.

[Sander D]

Old e-bay pic

An interresting picture of a panther being towed by panther and a Sd.Kfz. 9 FAMO with earth spade .



Regards

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[Sam Wren]

Hi TadPortly,

The Laffly is either a S 20 TL or S 15 R, it's hard to tell. The Kégresse is not a Somua but a Citroën or Unic P 107.

[SIS 5]

Hi Tad, hi Sam,

for me it´s a Unic P 107. I´ll post a pic of such a vehicle (source: Vauvillier: L´automobile sous l´uniforme).

Regards

Bert

[sir dude]

These two of a panzer- stug ceremony of some sorts. ebay
Adrian.

[SIS 5]

Hi Adrian,

to Your pic. I think it´s a Russian 203 mm gun on tracks. I will post drawings of this gun. And I will look for pictures of this gun.

Regards.

Bert

[sir dude]

Thanks Bert, did the Germans ever capture or use one of these cannons? It would make a great addition for the siege of Sevastopol.
p.s., I thought the thing was French.
regards,
Adrian.

[SIS 5]

Hi Adrian,

here a pic of this Russian gun in a hall of a factory in Leningrad (now St. Petersburg). The workers are wearing coats, because during the siege of Leningrad there was no heating.

This gun was also captured by the Germans. The German determination: 20,3 cm Haubitze 503 (r). There was a similar gun on tracks, the 210mm cannon M 1939 (BR-17). The German captured from 22nd June to 20th December 1941 72 Russian cannons of this model. (source: Michael Foedrowitz: Die sowjetische Feldartillerie und ihre Einsätze in der Wehrmacht; Waffen-Arsenal Band 156).

Also an interesting site about this gun (in Polish):
http://www.militarium.net/wojska_ladowe/b4.php

Regards

Bert

[sir dude]

Fascinating,- many thanks Bert.
Cheers,
Adrian.

[Sam Wren]

Hi Bert,

Yes, that is what I meant. The P 107 was originally built by Citroën who sold the rights to Unic in 1936 or 1937, I don't know the date for sure, but I do know that production by Unic did not start until 1937. The differences between the Citroën and Unic-produced P 107s was miniscule and cosmetic. I have only read mention of the differences in Hubert Cance's article in Steelmasters:
"The production, however, passed very quickly from Citroen to Unic, at the time of the repurchase of the use of the Kégresse patent by Unic following the bankruptcy and death of Citroën, before the definitive adoption of P-107 in 1936. In spite of that, the first vehicles carried the symbol of the company from Javel Quay. They are identified by a certain number of details which are: fenders without the side beading, the hub caps on the rims of the front wheels, and the Citroën logo on the hubcaps and on the radiator."

The reference to the Javel Quay is to Citroën. The term "filet" in French is difficult for me to translate but I have translated it as beading (which is the term Hillary Louis Doyle uses) which is a term used for furniture but I do not know if it is a correct technical term for the automotive industry. I believe it is called "threading" also. Anyway, I believe it is referring to the thin, raised edging which can be seen lining the outside edge of the fenders of some period vehicles. And, if I am translating this correctly (and if Cance's info is correct - and due to some errors in another article of his that I have read, there is room for doubt), then this vehicle, which has beading along the front fender, would be a Unic P 107 rather than an earlier Citroën P 107.