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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by SIS 5 » 07 Nov 2013, 19:25

Hi Sturm 78,

that must be a Af. 4, a wagon for carrying the ammunition of the light field howitzers.

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by Sturm78 » 07 Nov 2013, 22:04

Hi Bert,

It is possible that you're right but it is very difficult to secure for me, since I've seen very few pictures of this wagon.
Do you have more images of this wagon?

On the other hand two other images from EBay: French Voiturette d’infanterie Mle.1937

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French Voiturette d’infanterie Mle. 1937 in german use with 295. ID in Poland as Infanteriekarren M.37 (f)-.jpg
French Voiturette d’infanterie Mle. 1937 in german use with 295. ID in Poland as Infanteriekarren M.37 (f).jpg


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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by Sturm78 » 08 Nov 2013, 19:24

Hi all,

Two other images from Ebay: Sf.2 ambulances

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Sf.2 Krankenwagen of 295. ID in Tarnogrod. 1941.jpg

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by SIS 5 » 09 Nov 2013, 18:33

Hi Sturm 78,

sorry for my delay. I have a lot to do now, so I´m late with my answer to Your question.
First a drawing of Af. 4, existing of two parts: Protze = limber, Hinterwagen = caisson.

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by SIS 5 » 09 Nov 2013, 18:37

And now three pics of the Af. 4. I hope it is helpful for You.

Source of the drawing and the pics: "Die bespannten Truppen der Wehrmacht" by Klaus Christian Richter.

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by Sturm78 » 09 Nov 2013, 20:35

Thank you very much for your help, Bert. :)

I think you are right, Af.4

Here, another image of a Hf.7 wagon:

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by fliegerhorst » 10 Nov 2013, 09:51

Hello all.

not a horse drawn wagon but falls under the designation of one.

I have found a medical cart of which it appears of German construction when compared to Festungskabelmesskarren or Festungskabellötkarren or even the tow handle of a If. 1 or 2. Possible there's a sf. horse drawn cart type I am unaware of.

Can anyone confirm or discuss if this is German or other nationality. Thanks look forward to any comments to help further Identify its origins.

[Ref 2890] http://www.panzerarmee.com/?page_id=6341 - image at bottom of page

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by SIS 5 » 10 Nov 2013, 10:42

Hi Adrian,

first I think that it is of German construction and not horse drawn. I couldn´t find a special sf. (Sanitätsfahrzeug) like that. But there was a so called Trage-Zuggerät. I will post a pic (source: "Der Sanitätsdienst des Heeres 1939 - 1945" by Alex Buchner). So I assume that on Your pic is a field modification of a cart.

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by Sturm78 » 12 Nov 2013, 15:14

Hi all,

I found this image on EBay. Any type of Akja sledge? :? :?

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by SIS 5 » 12 Nov 2013, 16:43

Hi Sturm 78,

it is a so-called "leichter Akja". Here a drawing and a pic out of the magazine "Modell Fan" 1/97: "Fahrzeuge für den Winterkrieg" by Wolfgang Fleischer.

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by Sturm78 » 13 Nov 2013, 12:25

Thank you for your help, Bert. :)

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by SIS 5 » 17 Nov 2013, 12:34

Hi,

here a infantry cart (If. 8), not horse-drawn, but dog-drawn (source of the pic: an expired ebay auction).

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by Bildberichter » 19 Nov 2013, 11:03

Any idea what this is?

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I suspect it is WW1 or earlier, possibly form German South West Africa.

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by Sturm78 » 22 Nov 2013, 00:07

Hi all,

Not a WW2 item but...... I think a Austro-hungarian artillery observation wagon from WW1. Does somebody know his oficial designation?

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Re: German horse-drawn wagons

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Post by Sturm78 » 25 Nov 2013, 12:41

Nobody ??

Well, here an image of a Nf.2 wagon (I think):

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