Panzerjäger I - Unit organisation
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Panzerjäger I - Unit organisation
Could someone please advise
When the first Panzerjäger I units where set up in 1940-41 what was the designated composition of these units? How many self propelled anti-tank guns were to be allocated to each Abteilung/Division?
Any info would be helpful
When the first Panzerjäger I units where set up in 1940-41 what was the designated composition of these units? How many self propelled anti-tank guns were to be allocated to each Abteilung/Division?
Any info would be helpful
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Re: Panzerjager I - Unit organisation
Hi MD,
This from Thomas Jentz's book Panzer Tracts No. 7-1: Panzerjäger, page 7-46;
The following OB is for a non-divisional anti-tank battalion.
"1 x Stab Pz.Jg.Abt. (Kstn 1106) with 1 x Pz.Kpfw.1b (SdKfz.101).
1 x Nachr.Zug Pz.Jg.Abt. (Kstn 1192).
3 x Pz.Jg.Kp. (mot. S) (Kstn 1148 dated Apr. 2, 1940) with 4.7 cm Pak (t) (auf Sfl.) and munitions-sonder-Anhaenger 32."
Each Panzerjäger kompanie had 9 Panzerjäger I's for a battalion total of 27 vehicles.
Hope this helps, Bill
This from Thomas Jentz's book Panzer Tracts No. 7-1: Panzerjäger, page 7-46;
The following OB is for a non-divisional anti-tank battalion.
"1 x Stab Pz.Jg.Abt. (Kstn 1106) with 1 x Pz.Kpfw.1b (SdKfz.101).
1 x Nachr.Zug Pz.Jg.Abt. (Kstn 1192).
3 x Pz.Jg.Kp. (mot. S) (Kstn 1148 dated Apr. 2, 1940) with 4.7 cm Pak (t) (auf Sfl.) and munitions-sonder-Anhaenger 32."
Each Panzerjäger kompanie had 9 Panzerjäger I's for a battalion total of 27 vehicles.
Hope this helps, Bill
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Bill
Thanks for this
27 seems like a lot in one unit? I was kind of expecting to see 12 or 18?
I presume their where not enough for organic Divisional units. But they must have had an idea how many would be the ideal?
Thanks for this
27 seems like a lot in one unit? I was kind of expecting to see 12 or 18?
I presume their where not enough for organic Divisional units. But they must have had an idea how many would be the ideal?
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I'm sure there's tons of guys in here with better info than humble neilly, but I show -
For Sich. - 616th,643rd,670th with 27 each and 521st,605th with 18 each.
Added for Barb. - 561st,529th and 611th.
For Sich. - 616th,643rd,670th with 27 each and 521st,605th with 18 each.
Added for Barb. - 561st,529th and 611th.
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Hi Guys,
Well, I forgot to mention that Jentz states that the above organization was issued on March 8, 1940. This is what they were authorized to have. But, as always, what was authorized strength and what units actually had on hand during a campaign were always different. Also Jentz states a couple of paragraphs later that "On April 23rd 1940, Pz. Jg. Abt. 616 was ordered to be outfitted with 27 4.7 cm Pak Sfl, Pz Jg. Abt. 643 and 670 were also issued 27, leaving Pz. Jg. Abt. 521 as the only unit outfitted with 18 (6 per Kompanie.". I also consulted Leo Niehorster's German WW II Organizational Series Volume 2/II (May 10 1940) that has the OBs for the anti-tank battalions and it also shows each company with 9 Panzerjäger I's.
I expected the 1941 battalions to have only the 18 that Ostkatze had mentioned. But after consulting Leo's other book with the 1941 Panzerjäger battalion organization (Volume 3/II) the units seemed to have kept the same 9 vehicle per company strength. I think the panzerjäger battalions were reduced to the 18 vehicle strength starting in 1942.
best regards, Bill
Well, I forgot to mention that Jentz states that the above organization was issued on March 8, 1940. This is what they were authorized to have. But, as always, what was authorized strength and what units actually had on hand during a campaign were always different. Also Jentz states a couple of paragraphs later that "On April 23rd 1940, Pz. Jg. Abt. 616 was ordered to be outfitted with 27 4.7 cm Pak Sfl, Pz Jg. Abt. 643 and 670 were also issued 27, leaving Pz. Jg. Abt. 521 as the only unit outfitted with 18 (6 per Kompanie.". I also consulted Leo Niehorster's German WW II Organizational Series Volume 2/II (May 10 1940) that has the OBs for the anti-tank battalions and it also shows each company with 9 Panzerjäger I's.
I expected the 1941 battalions to have only the 18 that Ostkatze had mentioned. But after consulting Leo's other book with the 1941 Panzerjäger battalion organization (Volume 3/II) the units seemed to have kept the same 9 vehicle per company strength. I think the panzerjäger battalions were reduced to the 18 vehicle strength starting in 1942.
best regards, Bill
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Bill and Ostkatze
Thanks you very much
Thanks you very much
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Does anyone know if the Pz.Jäg.Abt.(Sfl.) 670 was equiped with the 4.7cm Pak (t) Sfl, auf Fgst. Pz.Kpfw. 35 R 731 (f) or the Panzerjäger I (4.7 cm PaK(t) (Sfl) auf Panzerkampfwagen I ohne Turm) at the start of Barbarossa?
On a Russian site they listed the 559, 561 and 611 as being equipped with the 4.7cm Pak (t) Sfl, auf Fgst. Pz.Kpfw. 35 R 731 (f). This is the only information I found so far.
I am translating an After-Action report of the employment of the Pz.Jäg.Abt.(Sfl.) 670 with the 16.Inf.Div.(mot) during July and early August 1941 but the vehicles are just called Jäger(n).
On a Russian site they listed the 559, 561 and 611 as being equipped with the 4.7cm Pak (t) Sfl, auf Fgst. Pz.Kpfw. 35 R 731 (f). This is the only information I found so far.
I am translating an After-Action report of the employment of the Pz.Jäg.Abt.(Sfl.) 670 with the 16.Inf.Div.(mot) during July and early August 1941 but the vehicles are just called Jäger(n).
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According to Lexikon der Wehrmacht the battalion had the PzJgr I.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... Abt670.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gli ... Abt670.htm
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this is absolutely correctJeff Leach wrote:On a Russian site they listed the 559, 561 and 611 as being equipped with the 4.7cm Pak (t) Sfl, auf Fgst. Pz.Kpfw. 35 R 731 (f). This is the only information I found so far.
19.6.1941
OKH/Chef H Rüst u. BdE
"Mit sofortiger Wirkung ist durch WK III die 3./Panzerjäger-Ersatz-Abteilung 43, Spremberg Nd.-L. in eine Panzerjäger-Ersatzkompanie (Sfl. 35 R (f) ) umzubewaffnen. Die Komapnie erhält die Bezeichnung:
3. (SFl. 35 R )/Pz.Jäg.Ers.Abt. 43
K.St.N. 6583 vom 28.3.1940 (anstelle Sd.Kfz. 101 ohne Aufbau den Panzerkampfwagen Renault (35 R (f) )
zugewiesen werden:
4x 4,7cm Pak (t) Sfl.
und
6x Fahrgestelle Renault 35 R (f)
Mit dem 1.7.1941 ist die Kompanie zuständig die Ersatzgestellung der Panzerjäger-Abteilungen (Sfl. 35 R) 559, 611 und 561.
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Thanks for the information. Sorry that I forgot to check Lexikon der Wehrmacht.
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Hello,
What was the company organization? Was it three platoons of three Pz.Jg.I's, or two platoons of four and a HQ with one Pz.Jg.I? What did the company have in regards to other transport (ammo, fuel, stores, etc)?
What was the company organization? Was it three platoons of three Pz.Jg.I's, or two platoons of four and a HQ with one Pz.Jg.I? What did the company have in regards to other transport (ammo, fuel, stores, etc)?
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Hello,
Here is such a company on my site:
https://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn11481nov41.htm
/Christoph
Here is such a company on my site:
https://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn11481nov41.htm
/Christoph
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Thankyou so much for this. It clears up some arguments at the wargaming table.Christoph Awender wrote:Hello,
Here is such a company on my site:
https://www.wwiidaybyday.com/kstn/kstn11481nov41.htm
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