German Use of Csaba Armd Car?

[anleiher]

Anyone able to confirm or deny whether the Germans used the Hungarian Csaba armored car?

Thanks,

[Hoover]

Google has a lot of pics of it.

[AVV]

Hello!

Google has a lot of pics of it.

IIRC, this is Hungarian cross used for convenience of vehicle recognition during joint action with the Germans, and not the German one.

Best regards, Aleks

[anleiher]

Does anyone recognize the marking on the turret? This might help determine if the national marking is Hungarian or German.

[peeved]

Dunno about the marking but the guy in the turret is IMO wearing a Hungarian field cap.

Markus

[Alanmccoubrey]

Markus, he is indeed an Hungarian and the cross is also the lovely colourful red/white/green Hungarian marking, the triangles of red are quite clear between the white "L" shapes of the arms of the cross.

[Hoover]

Okay, sorry for my mistake.

Then this is a Hungarian, too. So I don´t have any pics of German use. I have been misleaded by the cross.

[Leo Niehorster]

Does anyone recognize the marking on the turret? This might help determine if the national marking is Hungarian or German.

The tactical symbol identifies the 1st Cavalry Division.
Edited, as the 1st Cavalry Tank Battalion had no armored cars.

Cheers
Leo

[juzio]

Leo, but this is not our case. The 1st Cavalry Tank Battalion never used Csaba armored cars. At least officially.

[Leo Niehorster]

I probably edited my post at the same time you made your comment.

So the Csaba was part of the 3rd Armored Reconnaissance Battalion of the 1st Cavalry Division..

[juzio]

No, This Csaba is from the Armored Battalion of the 1st Cavalry Brigade (1. lovasdandár páncélos zászlóalj), Eastern Poland/Ukraine 1941.

[Leo Niehorster]

Hi again,
According to Peter Mujzer, "The Royal Hungarian Army — Hungarian Mobile Forces", this is the tactical symbol of the Cavalry Tank Battalion in 1941. (Figure 36, Chapter 9):
   

1st cav br arm-cav bat 1941 Nyíregyháza .gif

The symbol in the above post [Mon 27.08.12 – 09:54 ] is Figure 66, Chapter 9 listed as "1st cav div tank bat 1943-45 Zenta".

Could the photograph be mis-labeled?

Cheers
Leo

[juzio]

First of all: not Cavalry Tank Battalion but Cavalry Armored Battalion. Cavalry Tank Battalion was raised from 2nd Cavalry Brigade Armored Battalion in 1942 and we are talking about picture taken in 1941.

Most of the Toldi tanks from 1st Cavalry Brigade Armored Battalion were moved to the 9th Tank Battalion before the war against Soviet Union started (or even before Yugoslavian Campaign as on paper the reorganization was scheduled for 1 May 1941). Probably by lack of time the old unit emblems weren’t removed contrary to the vehicles used by the Cavalry Battalion itself which wore new emblem in form of horseshoe (the same was posted by Leo on on 27 Aug 2012, 09:54.). The new emblem was adopted by whole the 1st Cavalry Brigade and latter inherited by the 1st Cavalry/Hussar Division. So, the captions given by Peter are correct, but can mislead some beginners (it is only a joke ).

BTW there is no evidence that any Hungarian AFV was ever used by German armed forces or police. (at least officially).

Sorry for my bad English.

Cheers,

Pawel