PzKpfW 35(t) question

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PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by CNE503 » 20 Aug 2015, 02:42

Hello,

I read that Germany resumed the production of this czech tank some times after March 1939. Does anyone know when did it finally stop?
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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 20 Aug 2015, 13:42

It is possible that some old 35(t) were refurbished but I've never heard of any new production.
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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by CNE503 » 20 Aug 2015, 14:29

Thanks Alan. I wasn't sure about it, so I looked for for a couple of days, and I found nothing conclusive about this. I was probably mistaken.
It is weird not to know exactly how many LT vz.35/PzKpfW 35(t) the Germans managed to put into their own service from March 1939. I found the two following figures : 219 and 244. Does anyone know what there is such a difference in numbers?

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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by peeved » 20 Aug 2015, 15:32

CNE503 wrote:It is weird not to know exactly how many LT vz.35/PzKpfW 35(t) the Germans managed to put into their own service from March 1939. I found the two following figures : 219 and 244. Does anyone know what there is such a difference in numbers?
Maybe due to conflicting figures of the LT vz. 35 split between Germany and Slovakia: according to Spielberger 219/79 and Kliment & Francev 244/52.

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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 20 Aug 2015, 19:00

According to Jentz, a total of 298 LT 35 had been manufactured, of which two were taken over by Hungary and 52 were given to Slovakia.

The production reports mention the following number of tanks in the Army stock, though not necessarily combat ready:

1 September 1939: 202
1 October 1939: 125 (77 lost in September)
1 November 1939: 125
1 December 1939: 125
1 January 1940: 125
February, March and April numbers not available
1 May 1940: 143
1 June 1940: 105 (45 lost, seven repaired in May)

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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by CNE503 » 20 Aug 2015, 21:23

Hello Christian. Thanks to add something about this. I believed that less than a dozen of the PzKpfW 35(t) lost during the Polenfeldzug were totally destroyed, the other 60-65 being repaired. Is this wrong?

I guess that Jentz agrees with (provides?) Kliment and Francev's figures: 244 PzKpfW 35(t) incorporated in German units early 1939, and 52 for the Slovak army.

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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by brano » 20 Aug 2015, 23:25

After 1939:

26 pcs. were refurbished (modification) in 1940 for Bulgaria (ex.German tanks). Were delivered in 2-4/1940.
10 pcs. new serie originally designed for Afghanistan, but which bought Bulgaria (mod. with new cannon). Were delivered in 1940/41.

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http://forum.valka.cz/topic/view/37549

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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by GregSingh » 21 Aug 2015, 01:04

Christian Ankerstjerne wrote:According to Jentz, a total of 298 LT 35 had been manufactured...
Actually 424 were manufactured before March 1939, but 126 exported to Romania, so Germans took over 298.

After March 1939 another 10 were made (as per brano post).

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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 21 Aug 2015, 10:17

CNE503
The reports I have start with September 1939. There might be some information elsewhere in the records, but it's a lot less organized and thus harder to find.

The number of repaired tanks must have been quite high if Brano's numbers are correct:

143 (May 1940) - 202 (September 1939) - 26 (Bulgaria) = 33 (maximum destroyed out of original 77)

As an aside, the Germans usually either abbreviated Panzerkampfwagen as Pz Kpfw or Pz Kpf Wg, but not PzKpfW. Periods were sometimes used (i.e., Pz. Kpfw.), but not always, and seem to have been more common early in the war. Pz Kpfw is by far the most common variant in printed material, and I can't positively recall Pz Kpf Wg in printed material.

GregSingh wrote:Actually 424 were manufactured before March 1939, but 126 exported to Romania
Right, should have been 'manufactured for Czechoslovakia'.

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 21 Aug 2015, 12:14

Brano, were the 10 ex Afghan tanks the ones armed with the same gun, was it the A-7, as the 38(t) ?
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Post by CNE503 » 21 Aug 2015, 16:42

Christian,

Thank you correcting me. I will use from now Pz Kpfw instead of PzKpfW.
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Post by peeved » 21 Aug 2015, 17:57

Christian Ankerstjerne wrote:[The number of repaired tanks must have been quite high if Brano's numbers are correct:

143 (May 1940) - 202 (September 1939) - 26 (Bulgaria) = 33 (maximum destroyed out of original 77)
As a side note according to Die Panzer-Kampfwagen 35(t) und 38(t) und ihre Abarten by Spielberger 160 (including 11 command variants) were deployed for the attack on Soviet Union on 22 June 1941 and 187 were still on Wehrmacht rolls on 1 June 1942 although no longer as gun tanks on the front.

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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 21 Aug 2015, 18:09

The stock for 1941 and 1942 until March (I have no later numbers) are:

1941
January: 190
February: 170
March: 175
April: 179
May: 184
June: 187
July: 189
August: 189
September: 191
October: 191
November: 191
December: 192

1942
January: 197
February: 201
March: 207

None were manufactured in this period; all were from repairs.

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Re: PzKpfW 35(t) question

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Post by peeved » 21 Aug 2015, 18:55

CNE503 wrote:It is weird not to know exactly how many LT vz.35/PzKpfW 35(t) the Germans managed to put into their own service from March 1939. I found the two following figures : 219 and 244. Does anyone know what there is such a difference in numbers?
218 is another number I've seen. On second thought probably due to the 26 tanks for Bulgaria since 218+26=244; Were the tanks in that Bulgarian batch ever in German service despite being brought up to Pz. 35(t) standard?

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Post by brano » 21 Aug 2015, 19:02

Alanmccoubrey wrote:Brano, were the 10 ex Afghan tanks the ones armed with the same gun, was it the A-7, as the 38(t) ?
Bulgarian T-11 (10 pcs. serie) have a Škoda A8.
26 pcs exGerman tank had standard LT vz.35 guns cannon Škoda model 1934.

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